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4 NICU babies left to die by Israeli forces

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Toothyfruity · 03/12/2023 15:33

Some more in depth coverage of what happened to the four little babies in the NICU in Nasr Hospital and how they were left to die alone with nobody looking after them.

This is one of the most gruesome things I've ever heard and to be honest for the first day or so I didn't think it could be true. I didn't think even Israel could be this barbaric (though these aren't the first premature NICU babies they've killed in this conflict so I should probably not be so naive).

I can't understand how they can do this. And still they're supported by the UK and US.

Will this story appear on the televised news anywhere? I haven't seen it.

Warning: the descriptions in the article of the condition the bodies were found in are graphic.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/12/03/gaza-premature-babies-dead-nasr/

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Auvergne63 · 05/12/2023 12:48

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FoodCentre · 05/12/2023 11:15

They're definitely not cowards, they're people working in a war zone at risk of death at any second.

The babies were too premature to live without help, and the equipment was not portable. They needed reinforcements to move the babies to safety. Take them off and they suffocate. It's better to leave them to be rescued.

The HCPs' only mistake was trusting IDF (not that they had a choice, really).

Jenismurf · 05/12/2023 11:11

I certainly don't blame that individual nurse, but what about the rest of the staff? Was he the only one working there? No, of course not. The others ran away like the cowards they are, leaving him to shoulder the responsibility of care. Absolutely disgusting.

FoodCentre · 05/12/2023 11:06

@CuteOrangeElephant People definitely understand this, they just refuse to accept IDF is wrong here. Nurse did everything he could have.

FoodCentre · 05/12/2023 11:05

Fairtobefairohhhhhc · 05/12/2023 09:24

@FoodCentre sorry, articles for which part? Maybe someone can provide something for you. Wasn't sure what you where replying to x

I meant for the claims of Hamas putting babies in ovens, beheading etc.

CuteOrangeElephant · 05/12/2023 09:52

Do you really expect healthcare staff to give up their lives?

It's a most morbid trolley problem.

Do you:

  1. Stay with 5 extremely poorly babies, whose chances of survival are marginal at best. It means you have to wave your family off, leaving them without a male protector in a war zone. Communications within Gaza are non-existent so you will not find out what happens to them for a while. Meanwhile staying means you have a very high chance of being killed, leaving your children fatherless and your wife a widow. Gaza is down a nurse too.

Or

  1. You have a reasonable chance of saving one of the babies if you leave four behind. The IDF have assured you help is coming for the four remaining. This also means you can protect your own family
Fairtobefairohhhhhc · 05/12/2023 09:24

@FoodCentre sorry, articles for which part? Maybe someone can provide something for you. Wasn't sure what you where replying to x

FoodCentre · 05/12/2023 09:21

Are there any articles on this?

Lovepeaceunderstanding · 05/12/2023 09:19

FrozenWindscreen · 05/12/2023 00:32

Oh wait, you believe the Palestinian health authority, also known as Hamas?

Those ‘freedom fighters’ who raped men, women AND children, cut off heads, breasts, feet and fingers, burnt children and adults alive, burnt a baby to death in an oven, cut out a baby from it’s mother’s womb!

Are people really this dumb or do you have to try really hard at it?

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@FrozenWindscreen , telling I feel that the apologists from Hamas accuse Isreal of constantly lying and generating propaganda. Some people will only see that which suits their narrative.

Lovepeaceunderstanding · 05/12/2023 09:14

Fairtobefairohhhhhc · 04/12/2023 11:38

All those saying what about hamas etc. Have you asked yourself where hamas came from? Why they are there? If Palestinians had been left alone and there was no Nakba. Its likely there would be no hamas.

@Fairtobefairohhhhhc , look towards Iran for the answer.

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Toothyfruity · 05/12/2023 09:06

FrozenWindscreen · 05/12/2023 00:32

Oh wait, you believe the Palestinian health authority, also known as Hamas?

Those ‘freedom fighters’ who raped men, women AND children, cut off heads, breasts, feet and fingers, burnt children and adults alive, burnt a baby to death in an oven, cut out a baby from it’s mother’s womb!

Are people really this dumb or do you have to try really hard at it?

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Also you need to update your propaganda. Most of what you've said has been debunked.

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Toothyfruity · 05/12/2023 09:04

FrozenWindscreen · 05/12/2023 00:06

Where is the evidence for this?

The IDF have refuted it. They evacuated babies from other hospitals didn’t they?

What kind of doctors and nurses totally abandon tiny sick babies in a war zone?!

Absolutely no one stayed there to make sure they were evacuated - pass on clinical information needed for their care?

Not one parent staying by their tiny baby’s side considering they are sick and in a war zone and all?

The hospital doesn’t look like it had much damage in the area where the babies were. Who led the journalist there?

Fucking disgusting that these babies were left to die and then use it as propaganda. What evil fucking people.

Hmm why did people who were told to leave or be killed leave? That's a real head scratcher 🤔

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Fairtobefairohhhhhc · 05/12/2023 07:52

@FrozenWindscreen are you OK? Dk you not read what is actually happening? I mean the IDF actually tell you what they are doing plus entertain you with silly dances at the same time. It's the western media that likes to back them up and are hoping the IDF are the 'good guys'.

The IDF literally film themselves saying they want to kill all civilians on a regular basis. The leaders have even lied so much they get muddled when they talk...

'We are not the victims....pause.....I mean we are the victims.'
FFS

Itsaharddlife · 05/12/2023 00:50

EasterIssland · 05/12/2023 00:46

You might want to update your sentence. (Yes I know it’s Middle East so will be pro Palestine but it’s giving an updated based on some news that were announced yesterday by an Israel newspaper )

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-war-personnel-false-information-7-october-attack

also, I do trust more the Hamas run health ministry mainly because many international organisations trust them and have verified and confirmed the information they’ve provided

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/despite-bidens-doubts-humanitarian-agencies-consider-gaza-toll-reliable-2023-10-27/

ps. I’d suggest not insulting others. If you want people to take you seriously when discussing there is no need of “are people this dumb” and similar sentences.

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Name calling, like children

EasterIssland · 05/12/2023 00:46

FrozenWindscreen · 05/12/2023 00:32

Oh wait, you believe the Palestinian health authority, also known as Hamas?

Those ‘freedom fighters’ who raped men, women AND children, cut off heads, breasts, feet and fingers, burnt children and adults alive, burnt a baby to death in an oven, cut out a baby from it’s mother’s womb!

Are people really this dumb or do you have to try really hard at it?

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You might want to update your sentence. (Yes I know it’s Middle East so will be pro Palestine but it’s giving an updated based on some news that were announced yesterday by an Israel newspaper )

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-war-personnel-false-information-7-october-attack

also, I do trust more the Hamas run health ministry mainly because many international organisations trust them and have verified and confirmed the information they’ve provided

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/despite-bidens-doubts-humanitarian-agencies-consider-gaza-toll-reliable-2023-10-27/

ps. I’d suggest not insulting others. If you want people to take you seriously when discussing there is no need of “are people this dumb” and similar sentences.

FrozenWindscreen · 05/12/2023 00:32

EasterIssland · 05/12/2023 00:08

And we have to believe IDF because during this war we’ve never caught them on lies … oh wait.

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Oh wait, you believe the Palestinian health authority, also known as Hamas?

Those ‘freedom fighters’ who raped men, women AND children, cut off heads, breasts, feet and fingers, burnt children and adults alive, burnt a baby to death in an oven, cut out a baby from it’s mother’s womb!

Are people really this dumb or do you have to try really hard at it?

EasterIssland · 05/12/2023 00:08

FrozenWindscreen · 05/12/2023 00:06

Where is the evidence for this?

The IDF have refuted it. They evacuated babies from other hospitals didn’t they?

What kind of doctors and nurses totally abandon tiny sick babies in a war zone?!

Absolutely no one stayed there to make sure they were evacuated - pass on clinical information needed for their care?

Not one parent staying by their tiny baby’s side considering they are sick and in a war zone and all?

The hospital doesn’t look like it had much damage in the area where the babies were. Who led the journalist there?

Fucking disgusting that these babies were left to die and then use it as propaganda. What evil fucking people.

And we have to believe IDF because during this war we’ve never caught them on lies … oh wait.

FrozenWindscreen · 05/12/2023 00:06

Where is the evidence for this?

The IDF have refuted it. They evacuated babies from other hospitals didn’t they?

What kind of doctors and nurses totally abandon tiny sick babies in a war zone?!

Absolutely no one stayed there to make sure they were evacuated - pass on clinical information needed for their care?

Not one parent staying by their tiny baby’s side considering they are sick and in a war zone and all?

The hospital doesn’t look like it had much damage in the area where the babies were. Who led the journalist there?

Fucking disgusting that these babies were left to die and then use it as propaganda. What evil fucking people.

Chaitales · 04/12/2023 23:56

OuiOuiKitty · 04/12/2023 23:51

So it doesn't shock you that the IDF left babies alone to die in a NICU as per the topic of this thread. What shocks you is people protesting for a ceasefire? Is that because you expect nothing less from the IDF or what is it that makes protests for a ceasefire more shocking than an army walking away and leaving vulnerable, sick babies to die?

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Hear hear

OuiOuiKitty · 04/12/2023 23:51

Jenismurf · 04/12/2023 23:07

What shocks me greatly about all this is the protesting. Not once have I heard, or read, a Palestine supporter say this, or anything close to it - to stop all the horrors, murders and nastiness on both sides, all it will take is for Hamas to release the hostages and come out from behind their human shields and surrender. Israel will have to agree to a ceasefire and countless lives will be saved - today, and in the future. But of course, Hamas won't surrender. They are cowards of the lowest kind who prefer their people to suffer before they do. People tend to lose sight of who Hamas actually are. They are Palestinian citizens who chose to join an illegal terrorist organisation, and are criminals. They are the sons, the husbands, the brothers and the fathers of those who are suffering because of them. Do the decent thing, and protest for Hamas to surrender. If they lose all their support, at home and worldwide, they will have nothing.

So it doesn't shock you that the IDF left babies alone to die in a NICU as per the topic of this thread. What shocks you is people protesting for a ceasefire? Is that because you expect nothing less from the IDF or what is it that makes protests for a ceasefire more shocking than an army walking away and leaving vulnerable, sick babies to die?

EasterIssland · 04/12/2023 23:46

Jenismurf · 04/12/2023 23:31

Nonsense. How do you "know" that? Got any evidence? No, I didn't think so. The International community will pile on pressure to ensure a ceasefire, Israel will lose all support if they don't comply. They have abided by all the ceasefires so far - Hamas were the ones who broke them this time. And the time before that. And the time before that ad infinitum. Your rather feeble excuse is more indicative of a desire to destroy Israel, rather than bring about peace.

Because that’s what the history of IDF and Israel government has taught me : not to trust them.

Chaitales · 04/12/2023 23:40

EasterIssland · 04/12/2023 23:22

Because we know that even if what you are saying happened Israel would not stop destroying Gaza and West Bank

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Its been ongoing for the last few decades. Last few years, IDF have stormed into houses in the west bank, picked up children and held indefinitely. Or murdered at will, and stormed funerals of those murdered. Everyone turns a blind eye. Feeble voices of condemnation and calls of apartheid but nothing gets done and Israel enjoys a free reign and American taxpayer money to fund their military objectives. Anyone who chooses to ignore this and but hamas their way out of discussions are siding with the oppressor, and history will not judge well

Jenismurf · 04/12/2023 23:31

Nonsense. How do you "know" that? Got any evidence? No, I didn't think so. The International community will pile on pressure to ensure a ceasefire, Israel will lose all support if they don't comply. They have abided by all the ceasefires so far - Hamas were the ones who broke them this time. And the time before that. And the time before that ad infinitum. Your rather feeble excuse is more indicative of a desire to destroy Israel, rather than bring about peace.

EasterIssland · 04/12/2023 23:22

Jenismurf · 04/12/2023 23:07

What shocks me greatly about all this is the protesting. Not once have I heard, or read, a Palestine supporter say this, or anything close to it - to stop all the horrors, murders and nastiness on both sides, all it will take is for Hamas to release the hostages and come out from behind their human shields and surrender. Israel will have to agree to a ceasefire and countless lives will be saved - today, and in the future. But of course, Hamas won't surrender. They are cowards of the lowest kind who prefer their people to suffer before they do. People tend to lose sight of who Hamas actually are. They are Palestinian citizens who chose to join an illegal terrorist organisation, and are criminals. They are the sons, the husbands, the brothers and the fathers of those who are suffering because of them. Do the decent thing, and protest for Hamas to surrender. If they lose all their support, at home and worldwide, they will have nothing.

Because we know that even if what you are saying happened Israel would not stop destroying Gaza and West Bank

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