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Brits fighting in Israel

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headhurtstoomuch · 03/12/2023 01:16

Will their British citizenship be revoked? Here is Tamara being glorified in the DM while the likes of Shamima Begum was crucified.

What's the difference between what either of them did because I can't see any and neither should be allowed back.

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twilightmoon3 · 04/12/2023 05:49

notimagain · 03/12/2023 17:59

Please don't put words into my mouth, let me be clear, the loss of innocent life is to be deplored but it happens in pretty much every armed conflict.

Having got that out of the way it's clear some posters find it hard to recall events as far back as Oct 7th but it's maybe worth trying since it's relevant to the OP.

If it wasn't for the acts of IDF soldiers such as Tamara in defending southern Israel on Oct 7th against the Gazan army Hamas attack the death toll amongst innocent men, women and children would have been much higher than (?)1400.

Despite Gaza not having an air force rockets were fired towards Israel within the last 48 hours, so Hamas still intend to try and take Israeli lives.

Given the above I don't think anybody should be ashamed of being in the IDF and I certainly don't think there's any comparison between the Brit/Israeli tank commander's situation and that of Shamima Begum.

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This fella was so ashamed of what he did in the IDF that he founded an organisation for ex-soldiers called Breaking the Silence which takes a special kind of bravery to swim against the tide and recognise the huge injustices that have been committed against the Palestinians.

Founded in March 2004 by a group of soldiers who served in Hebron, Breaking the Silence has since acquired a special standing in the eyes of the Israeli public and in the media because of its unique role in giving voice to the experience of soldiers. To date, the organization has collected testimonies from more than 1,400 soldiers who represent all strata of Israeli society and cover nearly all units that operate in the territories.

All the testimonies we publish are meticulously researched, and all facts are cross-checked with additional eyewitnesses and/or the archives of other human rights organizations that are active in the field. Every soldier who gives a testimony to Breaking the Silence is well-aware of the aims of the organization and the interview. Most soldiers choose to remain anonymous, due to various pressures from military officials and society at large. Our first priority is to safeguard the soldiers who choose to testify to the public about their military service.

https://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/

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SharonEllis · 03/12/2023 22:54

headstone · 03/12/2023 21:09

SharonEllis, if you look at the statistics, many many more Palestinians are killed by Israelis every year ( UN verified statistics) An independent bystander might well say who needs protection from who? You could argue both sides, but in terms of casualties it is clear the Palestinians need protection from Israel and this is obvious to anyone without blinked views.
Israel needs to look at how their intelligence failed so badly. Work that out and there will not be anOctober the 7th again. It was a catastrophic failure for the best intelligence in the world. Israel’s current actions will not make Israelis safer.

So its Israel's fault that 3000 Hamas fighters chose to attack, mutilate & rape Israeli (&other) civilians & take hostages. And its their responsibility to make sure it doesn't happen again. And Hamas have no responsibility even though their own charter states their intention to destroy Israel & they have said they will do it again. And I guess Israel has to sit & wait for Hamas to give the hostages back. Even though they said they wont. At this point surely everyone can see this is a deranged, racist position.

headstone · 03/12/2023 21:09

SharonEllis, if you look at the statistics, many many more Palestinians are killed by Israelis every year ( UN verified statistics) An independent bystander might well say who needs protection from who? You could argue both sides, but in terms of casualties it is clear the Palestinians need protection from Israel and this is obvious to anyone without blinked views.
Israel needs to look at how their intelligence failed so badly. Work that out and there will not be anOctober the 7th again. It was a catastrophic failure for the best intelligence in the world. Israel’s current actions will not make Israelis safer.

petuniasandpetals · 03/12/2023 21:03

How is this girl 'extremist scum'?
She is doing her military service; defending her country and by default ridding us all of extremist lunatics who rejoice in rape and murder.
Would you just let Hamas come into the UK and do what they did?
We would have bomb shelters and try to protect our citizens. Funny how Hamas keep the tunnels for themselves and let the innocents suffer.

Catapultaway · 03/12/2023 21:01

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You're deranged. She's a soldier fighting for her country as part of her national service.

OneHurtSpaggettio · 03/12/2023 20:38

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SharonEllis · 03/12/2023 19:54

Aswad · 03/12/2023 19:27

@SharonEllis so with all of the advanced technology and being the most moral army, they couldn’t find an alternative way?
Israel’s agenda is very clear and there are ‘people’ who are making excuses for the complete annihilation of the Palestinian people.

So, no answer then - such moral cowardice. Unfortunately Israel does not have that luxury.

Pizdietz · 03/12/2023 19:48

Aswad · 03/12/2023 19:42

I’ll take ‘a wee bit childishL’ over evil any day.
there’s no sane person on this earth that would agree with rape. No fucking way.

Free Palestine all day every day.

Gosh, well I'm sorry, but that just means I honestly can't make sense of your posts. At all.

Aswad · 03/12/2023 19:42

I’ll take ‘a wee bit childishL’ over evil any day.
there’s no sane person on this earth that would agree with rape. No fucking way.

Free Palestine all day every day.

backtowinter · 03/12/2023 19:40

And I would call adults who "lol" a wee bit childish

backtowinter · 03/12/2023 19:39

Aswad · 03/12/2023 19:31

Have you read what I’ve written? What do you call anyone who agrees with what’s happening? That’s a human being to you?

I would call those who dismiss
murder and rape as morally deficient

I would call the "free Palestine" demonstrators sheep-like

I wouldn't say anyone wasn't human. Except Hamas scum.

Aswad · 03/12/2023 19:35

Lol

Pizdietz · 03/12/2023 19:33

What do you call anyone who agrees with what’s happening? That’s a human being to you?

I don't understand this, sorry. Can you clarify what you mean please?

Aswad · 03/12/2023 19:31

Have you read what I’ve written? What do you call anyone who agrees with what’s happening? That’s a human being to you?

backtowinter · 03/12/2023 19:30

Aswad · 03/12/2023 19:25

I know enough that nothing would justify what’s happening in Gaza right now. Nothing yet here you are trying to come up with excuses.

Excuses?

Go and read an account of what the terrorists did to innocent children, women and men

Up close and personal and with enjoyment

Go and read. You might learn something

backtowinter · 03/12/2023 19:29

Aswad · 03/12/2023 19:27

@SharonEllis so with all of the advanced technology and being the most moral army, they couldn’t find an alternative way?
Israel’s agenda is very clear and there are ‘people’ who are making excuses for the complete annihilation of the Palestinian people.

What do you mean by 'people'?

Are you implying they are not really people?

Pizdietz · 03/12/2023 19:27

Aswad · 03/12/2023 19:25

I know enough that nothing would justify what’s happening in Gaza right now. Nothing yet here you are trying to come up with excuses.

If you have honestly watched and listened to what happened on 7 October, you would not use a word like "excuses."

I can only assume you haven't, because the alternative is unspeakable.

Aswad · 03/12/2023 19:27

@SharonEllis so with all of the advanced technology and being the most moral army, they couldn’t find an alternative way?
Israel’s agenda is very clear and there are ‘people’ who are making excuses for the complete annihilation of the Palestinian people.

Aswad · 03/12/2023 19:25

I know enough that nothing would justify what’s happening in Gaza right now. Nothing yet here you are trying to come up with excuses.

Pizdietz · 03/12/2023 19:23

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It's mutual!

Why don't you try finding out more, instead of accusing people of being evil?

Aswad · 03/12/2023 19:18

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Pizdietz · 03/12/2023 19:16

Aswad · 03/12/2023 19:10

What else is it apart from pure evil? Self defence?

No, I think they are trying to protect the stocks and shares in Twizzles.

SharonEllis · 03/12/2023 19:12

Aswad · 03/12/2023 19:07

How about not letting babies die in incubators?
Telling people to flee south then annihilating them on the way?
Bombing hospitals?
Cutting off water, electricity and not allowing aid in?
Are you people really that evil or stupid???

These are things not to do. What should Israel do to prevent Hamas launching a similar attack on Israel which Hamas have said they will do again and again.