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IDF shot a 9 year old boy

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ThickPinkSocks · 29/11/2023 20:18

Why is this not in the mainstream news? I thought there was a ceasefire!

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Katharineblum · 01/12/2023 12:06

You lot carry on in your echo chamber where no balance is allowed. You’ll change no minds, in fact you’re just talking to yourselves. Most of us can see both sides, it’s perfectly acceptable to want Israeli citizens to be able to live in peace and not be randomly murdered by fundamentalists and mourn the death of innocent Palestinian children, women, old people etc who have essentially been taken hostage by their own leaders. Life in Gaza, ruled by religious extremists who are happy to murder gay and trans folk, anybody who doesn’t agree with their religious fervour isn’t good at the best of times. How do you intend to get rid of these criminals?
@MissyB1 surprised to see you agreeing with a chant that is recognised as being genuinely anti semitic. Generally agreed with you on political threads.

MissyB1 · 01/12/2023 11:54

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Chaitales · 01/12/2023 11:48

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Desertrose2023 · 01/12/2023 11:26

Chaitales · 01/12/2023 11:11

I wonder also if the words they use to describe Palestinians involved in acts of terrorism - scumbags, shitshow, animals, barbaric, depraved, hateful, - they are prepared to use for the people committing atrocities in the creation of Israel?

It’s not even just Palestinians involved in violence that are described in this way. On the March against antisemitism thread people who attend the weekly ceasefire protests have been described as “uncivilized’, “yobs” etc. This is a generalized description - not just applied to those accused of carrying anti semitic signs /posters. It’s language intended to dehumanize and ‘other’.

Chaitales · 01/12/2023 11:11

Desertrose2023 · 01/12/2023 11:06

This. I do find it interesting that the role of terrorism in the creation of the state of Israel is often overlooked by pro- Israeli / Zionists who justify the war on Gaza.

These were armed groups who committed barbaric atrocities against Palestinian civilians. I would be interested to know if any pro- Israeli posters are prepared to condemn these Zionist terror groups. If not, why ?

I wonder also if the words they use to describe Palestinians involved in acts of terrorism - scumbags, shitshow, animals, barbaric, depraved, hateful, - they are prepared to use for the people committing atrocities in the creation of Israel?

Desertrose2023 · 01/12/2023 11:06

parksandrecs · 01/12/2023 10:45

Strangely enough, terrorism played an important role in the founding of Israel, such as the bombing of the King David Hotel, and the assassination of Folke Bernadotte. Were those terrorists 'scumbags' as well?

One of them (Menachem Begin) later became a Prime Minister of Israel, so presumably a high proportion of Israelis approved of his past.

This. I do find it interesting that the role of terrorism in the creation of the state of Israel is often overlooked by pro- Israeli / Zionists who justify the war on Gaza.

These were armed groups who committed barbaric atrocities against Palestinian civilians. I would be interested to know if any pro- Israeli posters are prepared to condemn these Zionist terror groups. If not, why ?

parksandrecs · 01/12/2023 10:45

Strangely enough, terrorism played an important role in the founding of Israel, such as the bombing of the King David Hotel, and the assassination of Folke Bernadotte. Were those terrorists 'scumbags' as well?

One of them (Menachem Begin) later became a Prime Minister of Israel, so presumably a high proportion of Israelis approved of his past.

Dulra · 01/12/2023 10:09

miniegg3 · 01/12/2023 09:11

Oh god forbid I want the terrorists gotten rid of 🙄 let's just keep them murdering any Israelis they can get to then eh?

Your post did not say Hamas, it stated - Ceasefire is over now anyway so they can get back to eliminating the scumbags - as IDF pounds gaza with more rocket fire, people can be forgiven for thinking the scumbags you were referring to were the people of Gaza, maybe be more specific next time if you don't want to be called out or reported for your posts

beigecartoon · 01/12/2023 09:55

Or this one which shows every single Palestinian and Israeli killed 2000 to 2014 only.

So many unnecessary civilian deaths.

https://www.vox.com/2014/7/14/5898581/chart-israel-palestine-conflict-deaths

And people go on only about the threat to Israelis, yes that it awful, but what also about the threat to Palestinians? What does this graph tell you?

IDF shot a 9 year old boy
beigecartoon · 01/12/2023 09:51

Interesting graphic showing side by side Israeli vs Palestinian conflict deaths since 1987 alone (just up to 2021).

No death is ok. I just feel like people minimise what Palestinians are going through. It's all about focussing on Israeli deaths (obviously awful) with zero acknowledgement of Palestinian deaths.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/05/18/the-israel-palestine-conflict-has-claimed-14000-lives-since-1987

The Israel-Palestine conflict has claimed 14,000 lives since 1987

Despite the latest fighting in Gaza, the endless occupation is tolerable to many Israelis

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/05/18/the-israel-palestine-conflict-has-claimed-14000-lives-since-1987

Chaitales · 01/12/2023 09:47

miniegg3 · 01/12/2023 09:11

Oh god forbid I want the terrorists gotten rid of 🙄 let's just keep them murdering any Israelis they can get to then eh?

Israel has been indiscriminately murdering Palestinians since 1948. Have you ever spoken up about doing something to stop them murdering any Palestinians they can get to eh?

beigecartoon · 01/12/2023 09:40

@ChickHenLittle agree with you. It would be helpful to be able to see all of the most racist posts together, but I doubt it would be allowed.

ChickHenLittle · 01/12/2023 09:38

beigecartoon · 01/12/2023 09:11

Posters really showing their true colours on this thread. It's not a good look. The world can see the racism, loud and clear.

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Definitely. I reported it as it's not needed and is a staggering disrespect to civilian lives. However, sometimes I think it should be left to stand so everyone can see the sort of hate that is spewed out when so many will die in the midst of a humanitarian crisis.

Efacsen · 01/12/2023 09:19

feralunderclass · 01/12/2023 09:10

Israel has been very quiet on how many Hamas operatives it has actually killed. Have they given any figures?

About 4-5 days ago IDF said a 'figure between 1000 and 10000' - understand that this sort of meaningless twaddle is just par for the course in wars but obv more important here wrt issue of proportionality

beigecartoon · 01/12/2023 09:13

feralunderclass · 01/12/2023 09:10

Israel has been very quiet on how many Hamas operatives it has actually killed. Have they given any figures?

Not seen any very recent stats. At the beginning it was something like 0.1% people killed were Hamas. Ridiculous. So much for "targeted campaign". More like targeted to anyone.

miniegg3 · 01/12/2023 09:11

Oh god forbid I want the terrorists gotten rid of 🙄 let's just keep them murdering any Israelis they can get to then eh?

beigecartoon · 01/12/2023 09:11

Posters really showing their true colours on this thread. It's not a good look. The world can see the racism, loud and clear.

feralunderclass · 01/12/2023 09:10

Israel has been very quiet on how many Hamas operatives it has actually killed. Have they given any figures?

ChickHenLittle · 01/12/2023 09:09

miniegg3 · 01/12/2023 08:56

Ah OK..

Ceasefire is over now anyway so they can get back to eliminating the scumbags

I almost wish hate speech like this wasn't deleted so people can see posters like you showing your vile true colours. I reported anyway as no-one needs to see such twisted statements.

beigecartoon · 01/12/2023 09:09

Desertrose2023 · 01/12/2023 06:18

Can we please stop responding to the posters trying to defame and besmirch the memory of a murdered child with unfounded allegations he may have been a radicalized “child solider”. it’s disgusting and shouldn’t be dignified with a response from decent people. They should be ignored.

as for “wait for the facts before judging” here are the facts:

the child was 9
the child was 9
the child was 9
the child was 9
the child was 9

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This.

miniegg3 · 01/12/2023 08:56

Ah OK..

Ceasefire is over now anyway so they can get back to eliminating the scumbags

Efacsen · 01/12/2023 08:45

miniegg3 · 01/12/2023 08:39

Yes I'm aware it's in gaza 🙄 where hamas are operating.. I'm pretty sure they're not just allowed to shoot people in Jerusalem instead.

Plus they've fired rockets at Israel as well now. They can't even stick to a ceasefire themselves so not sure why half of Europe are bleating on about a ceasefire for gaza

You might be 'pretty sure' but you're wrong

Ceasefire agreement was between the government of Gaza ie Hamas in Gaza and the government of Israel

And only covered Gaza

See Qatars announcement of ceasefire agreement

miniegg3 · 01/12/2023 08:39

Efacsen · 30/11/2023 16:46

Are you always this uninformed?

No ceasefire in the West Bank/Jerusalem

Only Gaza

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Yes I'm aware it's in gaza 🙄 where hamas are operating.. I'm pretty sure they're not just allowed to shoot people in Jerusalem instead.

Plus they've fired rockets at Israel as well now. They can't even stick to a ceasefire themselves so not sure why half of Europe are bleating on about a ceasefire for gaza

Alexandra2001 · 01/12/2023 08:29

Katharineblum · 01/12/2023 08:06

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/one-of-jerusalem-attack-victims-named-as-rabbinical-judge-elimelech-wasserman/
not a child but an elderly rabbi. Obviously not the same emotional effect.
All of it is bad. Trying to give one side moral superiority is ridiculous.

The only person doing that, with your whataboutery, is you.

Hamas in their disgusting and cowardly attack, killed 1400, Israel has killed, so far, 15,000 people, inc 5000 children, displaced 2m people, now with little food, no housing, no medical services, 100k injured.

They also show no signs of limiting, let alone stopping.

How many Palestinian children should die?

I guess your answer is "However many it takes until Hamas is destroyed"