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IDF shot a 9 year old boy

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ThickPinkSocks · 29/11/2023 20:18

Why is this not in the mainstream news? I thought there was a ceasefire!

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Parkingt111 · 30/11/2023 15:03

stormy4319trevor · 30/11/2023 15:02

@beigecartoon Oh my god. I skipped over it, not reading properly. That is the most cruel comment I have read on here. Well done for picking up on it.

Even I did
And I can't believe I tried to give a reasonable response to it
I keep saying to myself that it's just the odd or individual poster who doesn't value the lives of palestinian children as much but I'm seeing how wrong I was
To suggest the default is that they have been indoctrinated to kill Israelis
How cruel

stormy4319trevor · 30/11/2023 15:02

@beigecartoon Oh my god. I skipped over it, not reading properly. That is the most cruel comment I have read on here. Well done for picking up on it.

beigecartoon · 30/11/2023 14:59

@stormy4319trevor yep, that's why it was deleted. And other posters agreeing with it.

stormy4319trevor · 30/11/2023 14:58

beigecartoon · 30/11/2023 14:54

The disgusting hate speech on this thread.

"I also try to
appreciate the culmination of kids being
radicalised from the cradle to the grave."

Appreciating the culmination (death) of children? Assuming they are all terrorists?

Posters posting content like this should be ashamed of themselves.

Culmination means ending.
'Appreciate the ending of kids'
Is that really saying what I think it is??

Hiddenmnetter · 30/11/2023 14:57

Infact im quite sure that in urban conflict doctrine you aren’t ever meant to leave your armour behind- you always stay with the cover of heavy weaponry.

Parkingt111 · 30/11/2023 14:57

beigecartoon · 30/11/2023 14:54

The disgusting hate speech on this thread.

"I also try to
appreciate the culmination of kids being
radicalised from the cradle to the grave."

Appreciating the culmination (death) of children? Assuming they are all terrorists?

Posters posting content like this should be ashamed of themselves.

Exactly
And it's always from the most hypocritical posters too

beigecartoon · 30/11/2023 14:54

The disgusting hate speech on this thread.

"I also try to
appreciate the culmination of kids being
radicalised from the cradle to the grave."

Appreciating the culmination (death) of children? Assuming they are all terrorists?

Posters posting content like this should be ashamed of themselves.

Hiddenmnetter · 30/11/2023 14:54

bellac11 · 30/11/2023 13:16

Perhaps, and that is important context. But if the suspects were running away, you dont shoot surely?

You go after them and arrest them?

I don’t know if this is verified, however I remember reading reports that Hamas use child soldiers to bait IDF into ambushes. The point being that chasing them is a quick way to die.

PurpleChrayne · 30/11/2023 14:50

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beigecartoon · 30/11/2023 14:50

ohforheavenssakedearcomeonnow · 30/11/2023 14:45

I think the poster was suggesting a solution though I agree that he/she could have sounded more empathetic. My opinion is that the IDF do not shoot indiscriminately but only do so when there is a threat to life.

@ohforheavenssakedearcomeonnow plenty of evidence to suggest they do not need to believe there is a threat to life to shoot:

https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/01/02/israel/palestine-some-officials-backing-shoot-kill

https://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/testimonies/database/188889

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/sep/06/israel

caringcarer · 30/11/2023 14:49

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Efacsen · 30/11/2023 14:49

ohforheavenssakedearcomeonnow · 30/11/2023 14:45

I think the poster was suggesting a solution though I agree that he/she could have sounded more empathetic. My opinion is that the IDF do not shoot indiscriminately but only do so when there is a threat to life.

Pull the other one

Typical posting from this poster

What is the 'threat to life' of a 15 yr old and 8 yr old who were running away from them

You do know there is film of this don't you

Chaitales · 30/11/2023 14:49

ohforheavenssakedearcomeonnow · 30/11/2023 14:45

I think the poster was suggesting a solution though I agree that he/she could have sounded more empathetic. My opinion is that the IDF do not shoot indiscriminately but only do so when there is a threat to life.

The IDF is well documented to shoot indiscriminately. Why did they shoot Shireen Abu Akleh, wearing a press vest? What about those 4 kids on a Gazan beach in 2014? The IDF has one of the most sophisticated intelligence and warfare systems and Gaza is one of, if not the most, highly surveilled city in the world. Palestinian lives are meaningless to IDF, just blood lost for a bigger cause or for sheer hatred

Stop derailing this thread BTW mourning the loss of a child. Take your rhetoric elsewhere please.

Chaitales · 30/11/2023 14:46

beigecartoon · 30/11/2023 14:41

I can't quite believe the hatred these people have in their hearts to say such things. It really is quite something. And it does nothing to further the Israeli govt cause. Just makes the whole lot look more heartless and cruel, amplified by those posters voicing such cruelty on its behalf.

No wonder the world is waking up.

MN is a good look at people's inner reactions when horrors happen in society. I wonder if it had been around in the 1940s, 1970s, 80s, 90s, 00s, how they would be championing the Holocaust, Vietnam, Cambodia, Rwanda, Bosnia, Iraq, to name a few. It's easy to see how these were acceptable.

ohforheavenssakedearcomeonnow · 30/11/2023 14:45

beigecartoon · 30/11/2023 14:36

@Jupitersstorm where's your evidence they were "breaking the law"?

2/3 of the prisoners recently released by Israel were never charged with any crime. Most of them children.

Show some humanity rather than spouting such empathy lacking, cruel soundbites.

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I think the poster was suggesting a solution though I agree that he/she could have sounded more empathetic. My opinion is that the IDF do not shoot indiscriminately but only do so when there is a threat to life.

Malificent1 · 30/11/2023 14:44

Our world’s esteemed western leaders have done such a good job of pretending that Palestinian lives mean fuck all, that they don’t even feel compelled to say a single word when a 9 year old child is shot dead in broad daylight by foreign troops that shouldn’t have even been there in the first fucking place.

The only saving grace from any of this is that our younger generations have not been fooled. They haven’t swallowed the bullshit and they’re not afraid to say so. Israel’s propaganda wagon is losing its wheels. About fucking time.

OuiOuiKitty · 30/11/2023 14:44

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There is really no need for this coldness. An unarmed child was shot in the head and killed as he ran for his life. There can be no justification for that.

Chaitales · 30/11/2023 14:43

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It's an easy Google - there is an apartheid system of law, where Palestinians can be charged and held in a different legal system than Israelis by the govt govt. Most "prisoners" are held without being charged for years, plus tortured in prison and deprived of human rights.

Also if you suspect a crime, you shoot on sight? Where in the world is that ever legal? Would it be the same if you suspect an Israeli citizen of crime?

What if its a child?

This is about people's lives, not point scoring on the Internet.

beigecartoon · 30/11/2023 14:41

Chaitales · 30/11/2023 13:51

Absolute heartbreaking. They are children.

For those posters justifying the cold blooded murder of a children bc they were raised in hate/suspected of something - please let us mourn the child's death instead of point scoring. Please.

I can't quite believe the hatred these people have in their hearts to say such things. It really is quite something. And it does nothing to further the Israeli govt cause. Just makes the whole lot look more heartless and cruel, amplified by those posters voicing such cruelty on its behalf.

No wonder the world is waking up.

beigecartoon · 30/11/2023 14:36

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@Jupitersstorm where's your evidence they were "breaking the law"?

2/3 of the prisoners recently released by Israel were never charged with any crime. Most of them children.

Show some humanity rather than spouting such empathy lacking, cruel soundbites.

Jupitersstorm · 30/11/2023 14:25

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Chaitales · 30/11/2023 13:51

Absolute heartbreaking. They are children.

For those posters justifying the cold blooded murder of a children bc they were raised in hate/suspected of something - please let us mourn the child's death instead of point scoring. Please.

OuiOuiKitty · 30/11/2023 13:46

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This is incredibly racist. There is nothing at all to show that this unarmed child who was running for his life before he was gunned down was radicalised. I'm saddened that people feel safe to openly air their predijuce and to attempt to justify the killing of a primary age child who was running away and a danger to no one.

Parkingt111 · 30/11/2023 13:44

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Yes it is awful
I disagree about guided by emotion, as said by a pp women are just as capable as rational thought.
I don't believe babies regardless of ethnicity/nationality can be radicalised

Saying that I do know that unfortunately there has been cases where children/teenagers have in some instances been co-erced to carry out illegal acts

However I have been following the history of the occupied west bank for many years and this is not something new where children are being killed in a single shot or something that came into practice only after the war started

It has been going on for many years and has been heavily criticised by many, infact you will find Israelis who criticise the tactics employed by the IDF in the west bank too

In this particular scenario you will find very few who will condone it, he was unarmed and running away
If they deemed him to be a severe threat, although there is no proof to suggest this then he could have been shot even in the legs

The shot in the head was designed to kill.
Regardless of one's stance in this war I don't think you will find many people who defend this and its just another example of the brutal reality for those who live there

There are many issues that need to be addressed in the occupied west bank and to put the blame squarely on one person or side would be naive. However instances like the above will only serve to aggravate a situation which is already extremely tense

All innocent life loss is tragic. Maybe now that these issues are coming to the surface, they will finally be addressed rather than brushed under the carpet which will eventually bring about a meaningful change that is much needed

stormy4319trevor · 30/11/2023 13:17

@Depdawg Women are not guided by emotion. They are just as capable of rational thought as men. Violence begets violence. The IDF treatment of Palestinians is not working, see the terrorist attacks today. The tactics of violent suppression create misery for everyone there. At this stage, other countries must step in and have a peacekeeping presence.

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