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IDF shot a 9 year old boy

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ThickPinkSocks · 29/11/2023 20:18

Why is this not in the mainstream news? I thought there was a ceasefire!

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Hiddenmnetter · 30/11/2023 18:03

ChickHenLittle · 30/11/2023 17:56

This. It beggars belief that posters have come on to bleat about Hamas. He was a CHILD.
On another thread, about an Israeli child, there are complaints about people derailing and how it is always "pro-Palestinian" posters. Have some respect and follow the same advice for all children, regardless of nationality.

Except it’s relevant isn’t it? If Hamas use child soldiers, and they have a tactic of baiting IDF soldiers to chase into ambush, then it’s highly relevant to the IDFs actions.

That the child threw an explosive at the soldiers it doesn’t guarantee they were a member of Hamas (or IJ, or one of the other options) but it does suggest it, doesn’t it?

No one is saying “oh great a child dead”- it’s horrible, and the boys poor parents must be suffering terribly. But that doesn’t mean that the IDF were just sitting on the corner smoking a fag, saw a few kids go by and thought “oh this is a laugh” and took a pot shot.

ChickHenLittle · 30/11/2023 17:56

Chaitales · 30/11/2023 16:49

God.

Please stop. A child died. Let's honor the child.

This. It beggars belief that posters have come on to bleat about Hamas. He was a CHILD.
On another thread, about an Israeli child, there are complaints about people derailing and how it is always "pro-Palestinian" posters. Have some respect and follow the same advice for all children, regardless of nationality.

OuiOuiKitty · 30/11/2023 17:50

Why on earth was post saying that there is no excuse for killing a 9 year old child deleted? Seriously. Mumsnet has lost the plot. Are people just reporting every post that doesn't agree that maybe the child was in the way or maybe he deserved to be shot? Madness.

Efacsen · 30/11/2023 17:30

parksandrecs · 30/11/2023 17:21

Hmmmm

Not so sure that the IDF always tell the strict truth either...

That's not the point in question

So not really relevant

parksandrecs · 30/11/2023 17:21

Hmmmm

Not so sure that the IDF always tell the strict truth either...

Efacsen · 30/11/2023 17:19

localnotail · 30/11/2023 17:09

I don't understand what is it you want from me. I believe Reuters, I assume they check their info.

Reuters is only reporting what Hamas said - that's their job

What I'm asking you is why you're so sure that Hamas is telling the truth about Basel's membership of Hamas - given that the received wisdom is that Hamas always lies

And it's important because they are trying to arrange a big showy Hamas funeral which his family don't want and which will confirm to people like you that Basel was a terrorist and all that follows from that

Think his family have been very brave to speak out considering the risk of push-back from Hamas

parksandrecs · 30/11/2023 17:15

Struggggggling · 30/11/2023 17:13

@localnotail yes, your racism. They were both children.

Does anyone know if there is a fund that has been set up to support Basel and Adams families?

I doubt it. They don't count as children

Struggggggling · 30/11/2023 17:13

@localnotail yes, your racism. They were both children.

Does anyone know if there is a fund that has been set up to support Basel and Adams families?

parksandrecs · 30/11/2023 17:11

A child was murdered.

It doesn't excuse anything.

But there is also no justification for this child being murdered. And a reflection on the supporters of one side that they tried to label a child as a 'terrorist'

Administrative detention - NOT a fair trial - for detaining children for throwing stones- does not make them convicted 'terrorists'

localnotail · 30/11/2023 17:09

Efacsen · 30/11/2023 17:06

So you think the lying-liars are telling the truth this time?

How can you tell?

PS Don't tell me what to do thanks

I don't understand what is it you want from me. I believe Reuters, I assume they check their info.

localnotail · 30/11/2023 17:07

Struggggggling · 30/11/2023 17:04

A child was killed but that's all you read, and that's all you needed to know. That's all you needed to justify your racism, towards a dead child.

Edited as he didn't die he was murdered

Edited

my racism? my gosh. that and "40 beheaded babies". you are a troll

Efacsen · 30/11/2023 17:06

localnotail · 30/11/2023 17:00

I have not read anything apart from the article on Reuters. I have no idea who are those "we" you are talking about, I guess you are attempting some sort of a sarcastic dig? don't.

So you think the lying-liars are telling the truth this time?

How can you tell?

PS Don't tell me what to do thanks

Struggggggling · 30/11/2023 17:04

localnotail · 30/11/2023 17:00

I have not read anything apart from the article on Reuters. I have no idea who are those "we" you are talking about, I guess you are attempting some sort of a sarcastic dig? don't.

A child was killed but that's all you read, and that's all you needed to know. That's all you needed to justify your racism, towards a dead child.

Edited as he didn't die he was murdered

localnotail · 30/11/2023 17:00

Efacsen · 30/11/2023 16:56

Thought 'we' didn't believe Hamas - the lying liars

Basel's family say otherwise

I have not read anything apart from the article on Reuters. I have no idea who are those "we" you are talking about, I guess you are attempting some sort of a sarcastic dig? don't.

Parkingt111 · 30/11/2023 16:57

@Dulra yes well said
He was 9
He died in cold blood from a single shot to the head
In a neighbourhood that was his home

Dulra · 30/11/2023 16:56

@Struggggggling apologies my bad

Efacsen · 30/11/2023 16:56

localnotail · 30/11/2023 16:53

Reuters said that Hamas stated 15 year old boy was their member.

Thought 'we' didn't believe Hamas - the lying liars

Basel's family say otherwise

Dulra · 30/11/2023 16:55

localnotail · 30/11/2023 16:53

Reuters said that Hamas stated 15 year old boy was their member.

So a child exploited and groomed into crime. Please stop victim blaming

Struggggggling · 30/11/2023 16:54

@Dulra I agree, read the full quote history

Efacsen · 30/11/2023 16:53

Dulra · 30/11/2023 16:52

Be patient and wait for what evidence to surface? It was shown on the BBC News at 10 last night. Videos interviews the lot. There is no other evidence! This was a child murdered, running away in the West bank. I don't care what he did before he was shot because he was not a threat running away and did not deserve to be executed. As I said upthread, in Northern Ireland plenty of teens used to throw petrol bombs at the British army and thankfully most did not shoot them dead.
Anyone who is trying to explain away the murder of a child is beyond the pale because there is no justification for it whatsoever

Well said

localnotail · 30/11/2023 16:53

Reuters said that Hamas stated 15 year old boy was their member.

Jupitersstorm · 30/11/2023 16:53

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Get what?
Your stern words demanding that it is unreasonable that I would like to learn what led up to this?

Dulra · 30/11/2023 16:52

Struggggggling · 30/11/2023 16:40

I didn't say it was acceptable, I condemn the death of any child, regardless of skin color or situation.

Ill leave @Jupitersstorm words here as a response to your post.
And when you feel upset reading them perhaps you'll have empathy and understanding for the upset that is felt when the death of another child who's only fault was being born on the 'other side' is questioned as justifiable until 'events leading up to it' are clear.

"You need to be patient and wait for all evidence to surface.
We should not speculate or theorise without the data."

Be patient and wait for what evidence to surface? It was shown on the BBC News at 10 last night. Videos interviews the lot. There is no other evidence! This was a child murdered, running away in the West bank. I don't care what he did before he was shot because he was not a threat running away and did not deserve to be executed. As I said upthread, in Northern Ireland plenty of teens used to throw petrol bombs at the British army and thankfully most did not shoot them dead.
Anyone who is trying to explain away the murder of a child is beyond the pale because there is no justification for it whatsoever

Struggggggling · 30/11/2023 16:51

Chaitales · 30/11/2023 16:49

God.

Please stop. A child died. Let's honor the child.

2 children, Basil was 15, Adam was 9

localnotail · 30/11/2023 16:51

Parkingt111 · 30/11/2023 16:45

@localnotail why should he not have been there?? It was his home
The area the raid happened is what is considered a safe zone for the Palestinians
It wasn't in a conflict zone

It was not like he was simply walking down the street, in the video it looked like there was a bunch of kids throwing something at soldiers. This is very dangerous, and obviously not something a small child should be involved in. But of course not a reason to shoot him.

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