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Just sick

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ideaspls · 29/11/2023 07:32

Am still in disbelief five weeks later that this was allowed to happen.

how did the world just sit and watch as this was allowed to happen?

now disease will ravage the rest of the displaced population 😞

The Israeli government should be ashamed…

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/28/deaths-from-disease-in-gaza-could-outstrip-deaths-from-war-un-says

Deaths from disease in Gaza could outstrip deaths from war, UN says

Organisation warns that people are starving, lack clean water and the diarrhoea rate is up 45 times compared with a year ago

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/28/deaths-from-disease-in-gaza-could-outstrip-deaths-from-war-un-says

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EasterIssland · 29/11/2023 19:36

SharonEllis · 29/11/2023 19:25

No, they are not. The population of Gaza is over 700,000. Get a grip.

not sure you’re making much sense. As they’re over 700k people are you saying that they are not being annihilated. ??

hope you don’t tell the Jewish community they never were destroyed during the holocaust as there was more than 700k people 🤔

AllWeWantToDo · 29/11/2023 19:33

SharonEllis · 29/11/2023 19:28

Yes it has. And I notice you don't dispute the rest. Nobody made them do it.

Well that makes it all OK then, hamas a terrorist organisation baked a baby in an oven so it's open season on Palestinian babies . Just leave them to die on their own in hospitals or bomb them , it's all OK because hamas did it

Livinginanotherworld · 29/11/2023 19:32

yumyum33 · 29/11/2023 19:06

If Hamas had not committed their atrocities on October 7th we'd not be having this discussion. Blame Hamas. What were the Israelis expected to do?. Lie back and take it.

This did not start on Oct 07.

YouJustDoYou · 29/11/2023 19:32

There's nothing you can do, you're getting worked up about something where you're not going to go and do anything about it, you can't make any change.

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Toothyfruity · 29/11/2023 19:29

Stomacharmeleon · 29/11/2023 19:08

@Locknkey I think you mean palpable.

I don't agree with everything the Israeli government puts out anymore than I like the racist anti immigrant stuff the Tory government spews out.

And the thread you are on about was specifically about a named child that has died.

You complained me yesterday for mentioning that children died in the bombardment. You wont allow any mention of Palestinian children on threads about Israeli hostages.

restabove · 29/11/2023 19:29

@Stomacharmeleon you were blaming them for the babies dying. Red Cross has nothing to do with that and you know it. Disgusting accusation when you know full well it was the IDF.

SharonEllis · 29/11/2023 19:28

Livinginanotherworld · 29/11/2023 19:26

Do you actually have a proven reference about a baby baked in an oven ? Has this been confirmed and fact checked ? No it hasn’t and you know that, so stop with your evil propaganda.

Yes it has. And I notice you don't dispute the rest. Nobody made them do it.

AllWeWantToDo · 29/11/2023 19:28

SharonEllis · 29/11/2023 19:25

No, they are not. The population of Gaza is over 700,000. Get a grip.

Yeah, fuck em! There's no where for the majority of them to live, not enough food or water and they'll end up dropping like flies soon due to disease but there's still plenty of them alive so that's OK

Stomacharmeleon · 29/11/2023 19:27

@restabove it's a fact. Look at what they have failed to do. On more than one occasion.
@ssd you still haven't answered what you would have done? As you have all the answers?

Livinginanotherworld · 29/11/2023 19:26

SharonEllis · 29/11/2023 18:41

Hamas carried out this attack because they are sick genocidal jew haters who have stated again and again that they want to kill all Jews. If there is some plausible reason, perhaps enlighten us? Nobody made them rape and disembowel people, bake babies in an oven, record and celebrate the fact. Nobody made them show a child hostage the footage of his own family members being murdered. Good god, did you really ask that question?

Do you actually have a proven reference about a baby baked in an oven ? Has this been confirmed and fact checked ? No it hasn’t and you know that, so stop with your evil propaganda.

Flamingbow · 29/11/2023 19:26

Indeed it is awful all round to be honest.

What's your solution OP, what do you propose we do?

SharonEllis · 29/11/2023 19:25

Livinginanotherworld · 29/11/2023 19:16

Er….they are !

No, they are not. The population of Gaza is over 700,000. Get a grip.

Seasonsfleetings · 29/11/2023 19:24

OuiOuiKitty · 29/11/2023 19:06

I don't think it is. What Israel is doing is not 'protecting' anyone either yet people keep repeating it. Killing civilians doesn't protect anyone, no matter who is doing it. How can people believe that leaving little babies to die alone in a hospital is protecting anyone? How can people believe that leaving children to starve is 'protecting' anyone? Fuck knows, but they appear to.

if you agree that Israel have a right to defend themselves by killing 1000s and 1000s of Palestinian citizens, then you must also agree that Hamas had a right to kill 900 civilians to protect Palestinians that Israel has been murdering all year long

This was your full quote. These two actions are not comparable. I am not saying I agree with it, but I imagine the Israeli government’s aim is to exact a response so overwhelming that no-one dares to attack them like this again. Whether or that that is likely to work, or have the opposite effect, is debateable. And people can argue till the cows come home about the morality of it and what a ‘proportional’ response would have been ( what Israel should have done is noticeably absent from these discussions, probably because that is very difficult to answer). But one can still see, even if one vehemently disagrees with the tactics, that the ultimate goal of the Israeli government is to protect their citizens and their country long term through their current actions.

There is no such justification for Hamas. They are the de facto government of Gaza. Their murder,,rape and torture of Israeli citizens was manifestly not going to protect their citizens and was deliberately carried out with an appalling level of barbarity, and filmed and posted online to goad the Israeli government with, to bring down retribution from the Israeli government onto their own citizens, which Hamas now celebrate as ‘martyrdom’.

So I’m sorry, but your analogy is really not accurate.

MissyB1 · 29/11/2023 19:23

backtowinter · 29/11/2023 12:53

Well OP I'm still in disbelief that an atrocious terrorist attack on woman and children has been denied, ignored and excused.

But there you go

Who denied it and ignored it?

restabove · 29/11/2023 19:23

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Livinginanotherworld · 29/11/2023 19:23

ssd · 29/11/2023 18:27

More blaming hamas rather than looking more closely at the Israeli response which has resulted in the attempted genocide of people already oppressed and dispossessed.

No one is denying what hamas did was barbaric but the over the top response can't be justified anymore by 'but hamas'. The world is looking closely at Israel now and its not looking positive. People, especially the younger generation, who don't follow the mainstream media propaganda machine, are looking at Israel in a much more critical light.

As well it should.

No one here except a select few are falling for the 'but hamas' anymore. No one is convinced anymore. The pictures coming out of Gaza of the utter devastation caused by Israel and the unrepentant voices are really bad news for Israel now. They have totally lost any credibility they ever had. Hamas are terrorists and have no excuse, but a government who allow the murder of 13000 people as well as the horror stories coming out the west bank aren't fit for purpose. Stories they could have kept quiet and would prefer to keep quiet are now going mainstream and its making people want to find out more.

The injustices are out in the open and they won't be as easily hidden as before.

The world has woken up.

This in a nutshell.

restabove · 29/11/2023 19:22

@Stomacharmeleon blame shifting isn't a good look you know. Especially when you try to do it to a respected international aid organisation.

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Livinginanotherworld · 29/11/2023 19:20

eardefender · 29/11/2023 16:35

How so? with the amount of hits on Gaza there have been remarkably few civilians killed. Israel also warn civilians to leave areas, therefore making an effort to preserve civilian life and putting their own soldiers in danger by doing so. If they wanted to annihilate the entire population, as you say, then they can do this in a day, which they don't. So many posters on here claim that Israel is genocidal and ethnically cleansing palestinians. Seems to be they are going after terrorists and trying to avoid civilian deaths, Can anyone offer evidence of genocide and ethnic cleansing by Israel?

Fucking hell, I can’t believe you can actually write this and be taken seriously. The problem here is, they do and they are.

if as you say they can annihilate the entire population don’t you think they would be annihilated back ?? Because they would. Absolutely.

ssd · 29/11/2023 19:20

Livinginanotherworld · 29/11/2023 19:16

Christ !! where do we start start with this one.

Some posts are better left alone really 🤦‍♀️

Stomacharmeleon · 29/11/2023 19:19

@restabove it's what I read. And they haven't been doing their job....

Just sick
ssd · 29/11/2023 19:18

Stomacharmeleon · 29/11/2023 18:51

@ssd ' we expect terrorists to behave like murdering thugs'

And you give them a pass.

Delightful.

You are really running out of things to say @Stomacharmeleon if you call that a pass. But i guess even the most hardened pro Israel supporters must be finding it difficult to keep the excuses for Israel going.

Full marks for effort right enough.

OuiOuiKitty · 29/11/2023 19:17

Stomacharmeleon · 29/11/2023 19:11

@OuiOuiKitty the only article I have about that is in an Arabic newspaper. They also wrote that they (the hospital) informed the Red Cross and they left them. So where is your anger at the Red Cross (if this is indeed true)

Even if that is true Israel set about starving over 1million children in the name of 'protection'. How is that protecting anybody?

Personally I don't think any civillians should be killed or harmed in the name of 'protection' but I don't understand how the people who do think Israel has a right to do that can argue against Hamas killing civillians. Either killing civillians is wrong or it isn't. It shouldn't matter which side of the wall it is happening on.

Livinginanotherworld · 29/11/2023 19:16

SharonEllis · 29/11/2023 16:31

They are not annhilating an entire population. The situation is desperate enough for Palestinians without such hyperbole.

Er….they are !

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