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Elon Musk - what’s his plan?

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Thereissomelight · 27/11/2023 23:13

Having been accused of antisemitism, Elon, the free-speech champion, spent today in the company of Netanyahu watching videos of Hamas atrocities and hearing about Netanyahu’s vision for the Middle East.
I have (I thought) a lot of respect for Elon. Does he have a plan for world peace? Did the US ask him to intervene? (as clearly, despite being “anti-Semitic”, he has the ear of Netanyahu).
Or is he simply bowing to the consumer and trying to keep his numbers up on X? I hope not, but what are peoples’ views?

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bellac11 · 28/11/2023 19:55

Thereissomelight · 28/11/2023 14:34

I said “respect”
I do respect him. His intelligence is formidable.

There are lots of different forms of intelligence. He seems fairly limited to me, albeit in a world where his main intelligence seems to be monetised and valued more than emotional intelligence. Which is why he is successful

LittleMsTellTheTruth · 28/11/2023 19:46

I don’t know if he’s intelligent or not, but surely if he jas even little bit of critical thinking, there is no way he actually believed Israel’s lies and propaganda.
Right?

Israel already lost the information war, no actual person could possibly believe the lies, some don’t care of course, but no grown person is falling for their crap.

So, this has to be about money, and Elon censoring Pro-Palestinian, ’anti’ israel, commenting and posts.
Since the truth isin’t on zionists side.

Thereissomelight · 28/11/2023 19:44

Girahim · 28/11/2023 19:36

OP, since you don't think he's anti-Semitic, do you agree that the Jewish people are pushing hatred against white people?

Where did I say I didn’t think he was anti semitic? The point of my OP was that I don’t know what he is or isn’t.

I have no idea how to answer your question which i feel is irrelevant to my OP. Do you mean all Jewish people or just some of them? How would I go about finding this out?

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CroftonWillow · 28/11/2023 19:42

He's out of his depth with diplomatic and moral issues. Like many of his generation who developed their career in Silicon Valley he's a beneficiary of circumstance coupled with an unrelenting work ethic to keep building. Now his products have such far reaching influence it's time he handed over the reins. Won't happen though as he also has an enormous ego/chip on his shoulder.

Girahim · 28/11/2023 19:36

OP, since you don't think he's anti-Semitic, do you agree that the Jewish people are pushing hatred against white people?

basculin · 28/11/2023 18:36

I imagine on his head he thinks of himself as a great diplomat who can walk in there, say a few words and songle handedly end a decades old conflict. And his fan boys like OP will lap it all up.

SerenityNowInsanityLater · 28/11/2023 17:40

He’s, quite simply, the aerospace industry’s latest and greatest revolutionary. A man of our time. There’s always one! Take that as you find it. I’m certainly not a fan of this industry because it is the engine that perpetuates the planet’s biggest money maker: War. And although I have no solid opinion of Elon Musk, I don’t think he’s dangerous. There are worse. For example, Bibi’s cabinet of hawks is undeniably scary.

Back to Elon Musk: He’s selling Starlink for the purpose of war (not only this, of course) in a technological age where combat strategies are quickly changing and evolving.

Israeli intelligence relied too heavily on AI without enough human input to make it as intelligent as they needed it to be, simply put. Whoops! Then, Hamas took their opportunity. Not quite so basic but that’s part of this tragedy’s backstory. It’s a story as old as time, without the tech angle. Israel got complacent, rested on its laurels, and woke up to the very tragic massacre they’d trusted AI intelligence (too much) to protect Israeli citizens from. Epic fail for Bibi.

War won’t go away and military might will never stop being the great ambition sought and/or achieved by countries everywhere on this planet.
And where there’s war, there are carpetbaggers and conmen. Elon Musk may be both or neither of those things.

Thereissomelight · 28/11/2023 17:22

So, Elon’s words in Israel were:
Kill those who insist on murdering civilians,
and
change the education so a new generation of murderers is not trained to be murderers
and
increase prosperity in the region.

All while his Israeli interviewer nods and nods enthusiastically.

It’s disappointing, except that I note that Elon does not specify which murderers he is talking about.

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TinkerTiger · 28/11/2023 15:41

Girahim · 28/11/2023 13:16

Are you a teenage boy OP? They're the only ones I know who actually admire Elon Musk.

You must have never been onto the FWR page

Thereissomelight · 28/11/2023 14:34

Girahim · 28/11/2023 13:16

Are you a teenage boy OP? They're the only ones I know who actually admire Elon Musk.

I said “respect”
I do respect him. His intelligence is formidable.

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Thereissomelight · 28/11/2023 14:12

@TheValueOfEverything
Yes, I think you’re right. I had thought he was someone who was using his high intelligence to be a sort of mediator, coming at things from
angles people hadn’t thought of before, for the greater good.

But you’re right, he’s on his own planet really. Unpredictable and hazardous.

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TheValueOfEverything · 28/11/2023 13:38

Elon Musk is one of the most powerful individuals in the world and he’s unaccountable.

His goal is to make the human race interplanetary- so humanity is not a “single planet species”. Mars is the first stop to achieve this and money and power are the means. Power includes control of communications (eg Twitter, denigrating traditional media companies) and narratives.

Musk is a self declared “free speech absolutist”. He’s also been described as a “tech fascist” in the true sense of that word.

One example of his unchecked global power is that Elon Musk is the individual who has had most influence over the direction of the Ukraine war. With Starlink, he provides internet to the Ukrainian State and Army and can switch it off at will (as he did in Crimea - a decision that went in Russia’s favour). It’s argued that Zelenskyy wouldn’t be in power without Starlink, without Musk. He’s unreliable, and could easily start leaning towards decisions that are more likely to lead to Russia winning the war. He’s said he doesn’t want to indefinitely fund Ukraine / provide them with Starlink. This could easily swing the war in Russia’s favour. Yet when the worlds most powerful governments meet to discuss geopolitics, wars, peace, he’s not at the table. He’s not in the G7, nor the UN, nor Five Eyes. He’s unaccountable and uncontrollable. It’s scary.

Girahim · 28/11/2023 13:16

Are you a teenage boy OP? They're the only ones I know who actually admire Elon Musk.

MMBaranova · 28/11/2023 09:29

Sometimes he'll do something right, oftentimes debatable and sometimes wrong. He's odd and isn't going away.

basculin · 28/11/2023 09:17

Thereissomelight · 28/11/2023 08:05

Israel’s government appears to have failed to protect its borders despite having received intelligence and receiving billions of dollars in US aid. Now it seems to be having difficulty flushing out Hamas without having to kill thousands and thousands of children. The IQ level there would hardly be one that would make Elon want to be their BFF or business partner. In addition they called him antisemitic.
And I don’t think Elon needs money. He’s capable of making vast amounts of it but I get the impression that’s a pleasant by-product of what really motivates him. (Which is ??)
I remain puzzled as to what is going on.
And maybe nothing is, except his ego.

In addition they called him antisemitic.

For liking an anti-Semitic post.

And I don’t think Elon needs money.

Since when has that stopped any billionaire making more?

Depdawg · 28/11/2023 08:28

GoodOldEmmaNess · 28/11/2023 08:22

Mmmm, musky t-shirt.
Fits with my perception of Musk as some rank teen whose mother can't get him to leave his bedroom.

😂

GoodOldEmmaNess · 28/11/2023 08:22

Mmmm, musky t-shirt.
Fits with my perception of Musk as some rank teen whose mother can't get him to leave his bedroom.

Depdawg · 28/11/2023 08:06

GoodOldEmmaNess · 28/11/2023 08:00

A plan? Lol. Perhaps he has offered to send in a mini-submarine.

Only if it comes with a signed t shirt by Musky.
Just what is he up to?

Thereissomelight · 28/11/2023 08:05

Israel’s government appears to have failed to protect its borders despite having received intelligence and receiving billions of dollars in US aid. Now it seems to be having difficulty flushing out Hamas without having to kill thousands and thousands of children. The IQ level there would hardly be one that would make Elon want to be their BFF or business partner. In addition they called him antisemitic.
And I don’t think Elon needs money. He’s capable of making vast amounts of it but I get the impression that’s a pleasant by-product of what really motivates him. (Which is ??)
I remain puzzled as to what is going on.
And maybe nothing is, except his ego.

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GoodOldEmmaNess · 28/11/2023 08:00

A plan? Lol. Perhaps he has offered to send in a mini-submarine.

Depdawg · 28/11/2023 07:58

Thereissomelight · 27/11/2023 23:13

Having been accused of antisemitism, Elon, the free-speech champion, spent today in the company of Netanyahu watching videos of Hamas atrocities and hearing about Netanyahu’s vision for the Middle East.
I have (I thought) a lot of respect for Elon. Does he have a plan for world peace? Did the US ask him to intervene? (as clearly, despite being “anti-Semitic”, he has the ear of Netanyahu).
Or is he simply bowing to the consumer and trying to keep his numbers up on X? I hope not, but what are peoples’ views?

There's nothing like watching the footage of a massacre to translate to your consumer base is there?
I wonder whether Musky is planning to ask Netty to become a sleeping partner in Twitter X.
Why would the Musk want to bear witness to atrocities, helping him form a holistic vantage point of the conflict?

BethDuttonsTwin · 28/11/2023 07:47

Thereissomelight · 27/11/2023 23:36

I didn’t realise he was perceived as a white supremacist. I thought he was fairly equal opportunity free speech?

He isn’t really. Only by certain radical left types who despise anyone who doesn’t adhere to their very specific “Social Justice” and “Critical Theorist” type belief systems.

Thereissomelight · 28/11/2023 07:44

I respected him because he is intelligent and a very very high achiever. I agree that no world leader wants to be on his wrong side but I saw him as being very politically independent.

I’m very disappointed by his deal with Israel over Starlink. I can’t fathom why he would do it and wondered if it was part of some greater plan to stop Israel from killing everyone in Gaza.
Maybe not.

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Ohlalalalala · 28/11/2023 07:23

From BBC

"The trip also saw an agreement reached over Mr Musk's satellite internet service, Starlink.
After Gaza experienced major internet disruption and outages as Israel intensified its military operations, Mr Musk had suggested giving Starlink to major aid organisations in the territory.
But Israel argued the tech would be used by Hamas.
Now an agreement has been reached that Starlink can only be used in Israel and Gaza with approval of the Israeli government. Israel's Communication Minister Shlomo Karhi said this understanding was "vital"."

The genociders got what they wanted.

SerenityNowInsanityLater · 28/11/2023 07:22

“I don't trust Elon Musk further than I can grow him. I have very little respect for him. I have no idea what his plan is/isn't.”

He doesn’t have a plan. He’s the dealer who’s currently got the best shit on the block. Simple as that. What he thinks doesn’t matter one bit. What he does is deliver what leaders want and need. World leaders don’t fight culture wars. They capitalise off them.

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