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Elon Musk - what’s his plan?

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Thereissomelight · 27/11/2023 23:13

Having been accused of antisemitism, Elon, the free-speech champion, spent today in the company of Netanyahu watching videos of Hamas atrocities and hearing about Netanyahu’s vision for the Middle East.
I have (I thought) a lot of respect for Elon. Does he have a plan for world peace? Did the US ask him to intervene? (as clearly, despite being “anti-Semitic”, he has the ear of Netanyahu).
Or is he simply bowing to the consumer and trying to keep his numbers up on X? I hope not, but what are peoples’ views?

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BethDuttonsTwin · 02/12/2023 17:57

I agree with you OP. Elon Musk is not antisemitic and only those who uncritically accept everything they are spoon fed, believe that he is. It’s all so tiresome having to keep seeing these righteous assertions being made based on biased information. X is the only place telling the truth right now, community comments are brilliant and rigorously enforce accurate information. Anyone worth listening to agrees, those who don’t are the ones trying to bring it down. I hope he and X remain, they’re desperately needed.

CremeEggThief · 02/12/2023 17:50

Why on earth would anyone have any respect for Elon Musk, let alone a lot as you claim, OP? How bizarre!

basculin · 02/12/2023 17:49

Telling your biggest advertisers to fuck themselves because they called out your antisemitism, real big brain business move that, what a genius.

I do wonder whether he's deliberately trying to tank twitter because he's still in a huff about being forced to buy it. But then never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity, so who knows.

Thereissomelight · 02/12/2023 17:31

Hopefully.

Advertisers are of course free to pull whatever ads they want. They have free speech and agency. The large agents pulling many advertisers at once from X will have anticipated that this will put X out of business. Hopefully this won’t be the case and X will continue to be a platform for free speech - for all, not just for some.

Very few people are rich enough to stand up to the relatively small group of very wealthy men who use their influence to decide who will lose jobs and businesses on their say so. Elon Musk is one of these who can and will stand up to them. I think it’s important that such people exist.

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Begsthequestion · 02/12/2023 17:12

Thereissomelight · 02/12/2023 17:09

Advertisers threatened to withhold advertising on X unless Elon blocked content that they personally weren’t happy with. Which he has refused to do.

I don’t know how to phrase it more simply I’m afraid.

So, he refused to do what they wished, and so they looked at their own interests and decided to keep to their word and took their business elsewhere.

That's just capitalism isn't it?

He is free to carry on saying what he likes.

There's is no government censoring, no threat of jail to him.

He is free to continue saying what he likes.

Isn't he?

Thereissomelight · 02/12/2023 17:09

Advertisers threatened to withhold advertising on X unless Elon blocked content that they personally weren’t happy with. Which he has refused to do.

I don’t know how to phrase it more simply I’m afraid.

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Begsthequestion · 02/12/2023 17:00

Thereissomelight · 02/12/2023 16:52

If you’re genuinely interested rather than being ingenuous you can read the below. Or just Google Elon Musk.

I'm still confused - who is stopping him saying anything?

Or do you mean he expects to be able to say anything he likes, and no one is supposed to react in any way, other than positively?

As the billionaire owner of a global communications platform, who met the UK PM last week and is constantly interviewed, and whose opinions and direct quotes fill column inches on a daily basis - how exactly is he being stopped from saying anything?

I mean he was literally on TV telling people to fuck off last week. How many other people have such opportunities?

Do you see what I'm saying at all?

Thereissomelight · 02/12/2023 16:58

Rather than being disingenuous I meant.

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Toothyfruity · 02/12/2023 16:50

Elon stops certain people saying plenty of things on twitter.

Begsthequestion · 02/12/2023 16:46

Thereissomelight · 02/12/2023 16:44

Just good to see that there are people who can hold out against being told what they can and can’t say. No matter by whom.

Who is stopping anyone from saying anything?

Thereissomelight · 02/12/2023 16:44

Just good to see that there are people who can hold out against being told what they can and can’t say. No matter by whom.

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Saschka · 02/12/2023 16:37

Thereissomelight · 30/11/2023 00:36

Elon tells advertising blackmailers to “Go fuck yourselves” during live interview.

Go Elon!

The fact that Elon Musk is so obscenely rich that it doesn’t matter at all to him if Twitter goes bankrupt, is not a point to admire.

Begsthequestion · 02/12/2023 13:06

Thereissomelight · 30/11/2023 00:36

Elon tells advertising blackmailers to “Go fuck yourselves” during live interview.

Go Elon!

In what way are advertisers "blackmailing" anyone?

I thought a basic tenant of capitalism is that you can choose who you do business with? Or an I wrong about that?

Seems like Elon is crying victim because many companies don't want to be associated with him or his product.

What a narc.

basculin · 30/11/2023 07:54

Thereissomelight · 30/11/2023 00:36

Elon tells advertising blackmailers to “Go fuck yourselves” during live interview.

Go Elon!

Yeah he might be an anti-semite but he's kind of edgy so woo!

🙄

basculin · 30/11/2023 07:52

LindorDoubleChoc · 28/11/2023 20:41

I saw a small snippet of him being interviewed and saying that Israeli action in Gaza right now was likely to result in many new recruits to Hamas. I haven't seen how he has been Antisemitic, if anyone can link.

There's a link in the second post on this thread.

Thereissomelight · 30/11/2023 00:36

Elon tells advertising blackmailers to “Go fuck yourselves” during live interview.

Go Elon!

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Saschka · 28/11/2023 21:26

Thereissomelight · 28/11/2023 14:34

I said “respect”
I do respect him. His intelligence is formidable.

Do we have any evidence for this, beyond him saying he is?

He went to entirely middling Canadian and US universities, and took 7 years to graduate with entirely average grades. He was given an emerald mine and millions of dollars by his dad. He used this to invest in PayPal. Which was then bought out by eBay, making his fortune. So far, same as Donald Trump, who nobody thinks is a genius.

He has surrounded himself by very clever software and robotics engineers to do the actual Tesla/SpaceX work. He doesn’t do the engineering himself. I’m not saying he’s stupid, but I haven’t seen anything to support the myth that he and his fanboys perpetuate, that he is some kind of Tony Stark-style super-genius with an IQ of 180 or whatever he reckons it is.

bellac11 · 28/11/2023 21:13

I would imagine he has quite poor interpersonal skills and coping skills in life and so his money/background got him the power he needed and the intelligence he does have was harnessed and channelled by others in his life really.

AnnaMagnani · 28/11/2023 21:10

Is Elon really high achieving and intelligent?

He was helped to making his Tesla fortune by 1: being a millionaire already and 2: a lot of engineers were really keen to build an electric car

Similarly with his space program. It's rubbish until NASA basically are told they need to involve private enterprise and then suddenly his budget goes up and up until the point you think - is this company just NASA with a different badge?

There was a documentary about him on iPlayer, it may still be there. You can see how much effort other people in his businesses were putting in to just managing him so he didn't fuck things up.

LindorDoubleChoc · 28/11/2023 20:41

I saw a small snippet of him being interviewed and saying that Israeli action in Gaza right now was likely to result in many new recruits to Hamas. I haven't seen how he has been Antisemitic, if anyone can link.

Sparehair · 28/11/2023 20:36

He’s just trolling the whole world, because he can.

Girahim · 28/11/2023 20:07

bellac11 · 28/11/2023 20:00

You've been really quite nasty and hostile to the OP, accusing them of being like a teenage boy and now making things up they didnt say.

I wasn't making an accusation a was asking a question.

Girahim · 28/11/2023 20:06

Thereissomelight · 28/11/2023 19:44

Where did I say I didn’t think he was anti semitic? The point of my OP was that I don’t know what he is or isn’t.

I have no idea how to answer your question which i feel is irrelevant to my OP. Do you mean all Jewish people or just some of them? How would I go about finding this out?

Putting anti-Semitic in scare quotes kind of implies you think he isn't.

He said post that claims Jewish communities are pushing hatred against white people and now hordes or minorities are flooding the country. Essentially, the age old great replacement theory. Not irrelevant at all since you seem to think he's not anti-Semitic despite apparently being completely unaware of the reason behind these accusations even though it's been mentioned on this thread.

bellac11 · 28/11/2023 20:00

Girahim · 28/11/2023 19:36

OP, since you don't think he's anti-Semitic, do you agree that the Jewish people are pushing hatred against white people?

You've been really quite nasty and hostile to the OP, accusing them of being like a teenage boy and now making things up they didnt say.

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