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Elon Musk - what’s his plan?

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Thereissomelight · 27/11/2023 23:13

Having been accused of antisemitism, Elon, the free-speech champion, spent today in the company of Netanyahu watching videos of Hamas atrocities and hearing about Netanyahu’s vision for the Middle East.
I have (I thought) a lot of respect for Elon. Does he have a plan for world peace? Did the US ask him to intervene? (as clearly, despite being “anti-Semitic”, he has the ear of Netanyahu).
Or is he simply bowing to the consumer and trying to keep his numbers up on X? I hope not, but what are peoples’ views?

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Girahim · 03/12/2023 13:33

Lol, no one hates him because he's rich.

Poor persecuted billionaire. 🎻

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Thereissomelight · 03/12/2023 11:44

Why hate someone simply because they’re rich?

As I said, most people who need jobs and income can’t stand up to cancelling by a small number of the Uber-rich. Like him or not, Elon Musk IS rich enough to defend free speech for all and he is doing it.

Other platforms, eg Facebook, unfortunately not doing so well.

It’s important, as no journalists are allowed into Gaza and dozens of journalists reporting on the thousands of innocent children being killed have themselves been killed. Social media is the only way the Gazans can report on what happening in there.

Personally I dislike the extremism seen on social media from all sides. Dealing with it is complicated and a project to be addressed going forward. But any censorship should not be one-sided.

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https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/10/08/israel/palestine-facebook-censors-discussion-rights-issues

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Saschka · 02/12/2023 21:21

Very few people are rich enough to stand up to the relatively small group of very wealthy men who use their influence to decide who will lose jobs and businesses on their say so

Elon Musk is literally one of “a relatively small group of very wealthy men who use their influence to decide who will lose jobs and business on their say so”. How on earth are you viewing the richest man in the world as a plucky little underdog? He was born a multi-millionaire, he is now a multi-billionaire.

Saschka · 02/12/2023 21:16

Thereissomelight · 02/12/2023 16:44

Just good to see that there are people who can hold out against being told what they can and can’t say. No matter by whom.

Yep, obscenely rich billionaires don’t have to answer to anyone or anything, and can sue anyone who disagrees with them into oblivion. Amazing, go Elon! Feudalism is the best!

basculin · 02/12/2023 21:04

Thereissomelight · 02/12/2023 20:37

You’ve deliberately left out Musk’s subsequent posts.

You've deliberately not explained how saying "Jews were pushing the hatred against whites that they claimed was being pushed against them" is not any
antisemitic.

That's what he agreed with, even if he has since tried to backtrack. Because Musk does whatever he thinks will benefits him in the current moment. He doesn't give a fuck about Israelis and Gazans or anyone not named Elon Musk.

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Thereissomelight · 02/12/2023 20:49

Anyway, I’m glad he is trying to push back on attempts to shut down free speech platforms.

Especially now, when thousands of innocent children are being murdered and thousands more bereaved, injured and homeless, while international witnesses are being denied entry to Gaza and journalists within Gaza are being killed in high numbers.

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Thereissomelight · 02/12/2023 20:37

You’ve deliberately left out Musk’s subsequent posts.

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basculin · 02/12/2023 20:14

Thereissomelight · 02/12/2023 19:18

@basculin
The words you quote are not Elon Musk’s words.

In several interviews, Musk has said his endorsement was related to the part of the poster’s comment that said that Jews were pushing the hatred against whites that they claimed was being pushed against them. Musk went on to clarify in subsequent posts that not all Jews were racist to whites (and others) but that he did find the ADL to be racist. He has a history with the ADL attempting to limit certain kinds of speech on X.

His interviews are all available to watch and listen to. You don’t need to make things up.

The words I quote are the ones that Musk said are "the actual truth".

In several interviews, Musk has said his endorsement was related to the part of the poster’s comment that said that Jews were pushing the hatred against whites that they claimed was being pushed against them.

And how is that not anti-Semitic?

Although given your previous comment about how you thought all Israelis think the same way, it's not surprising you think all Jewish people think the same too.

clarepetal · 02/12/2023 19:52

He is a James Bond villain.

Begsthequestion · 02/12/2023 19:36

Thereissomelight · 02/12/2023 19:29

There are many extreme views on X - it’s the major downside of free speech.

But the only group Musk seemed to have an ongoing issue with was the ADL.

Actually he's threatening to sue another anti-hate speech group as well, for using twitter data in their research (and to shut them up):

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/nov/17/anti-hate-group-says-lawsuit-from-elon-musks-x-riddled-with-deficiencies

Anti-hate group says lawsuit from Elon Musk’s X ‘riddled with deficiencies’

Center for Countering Digital Hate says claim by X, formerly Twitter, is ‘riddled with legal deficiencies’

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/nov/17/anti-hate-group-says-lawsuit-from-elon-musks-x-riddled-with-deficiencies

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Thereissomelight · 02/12/2023 19:29

There are many extreme views on X - it’s the major downside of free speech.

But the only group Musk seemed to have an ongoing issue with was the ADL.

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Begsthequestion · 02/12/2023 19:27

I'm looking forward to watching Musk try to sue the ADL for saying things he doesn't like, and which no one has any evidence of, while still pretending to be pro freedom of speech.

I wonder if Soros will sue Musk for saying Soros "hates humanity" and comparing him to Jewish cartoon villain?

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Thereissomelight · 02/12/2023 19:18

@basculin
The words you quote are not Elon Musk’s words.

In several interviews, Musk has said his endorsement was related to the part of the poster’s comment that said that Jews were pushing the hatred against whites that they claimed was being pushed against them. Musk went on to clarify in subsequent posts that not all Jews were racist to whites (and others) but that he did find the ADL to be racist. He has a history with the ADL attempting to limit certain kinds of speech on X.

His interviews are all available to watch and listen to. You don’t need to make things up.

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Begsthequestion · 02/12/2023 19:11

Thereissomelight · 02/12/2023 18:55

I’m not your employee so you’ll have to look that up yourself. The information is freely available.

Ah. You don't have any examples of the ADL censoring twitter. Ok.

That's because they don't exist. Musk has not given a single example of the ADL stopping anyone doing anything on twitter.

Perhaps you should do a bit more reading on this.

ILoveToads · 02/12/2023 19:08

@Thereissomelight

You keep referring to Elon as being intelligent, have you read any books on him which explain how he had piggybacked on other people's inventions and expertise?

He himself is not a great innovator, he is a somewhat good marketer of himself. Almost like a cult leader.

basculin · 02/12/2023 18:59

Thereissomelight · 02/12/2023 18:39

He clarified that his post was directed against the ADL with whom he has had a long-standing issue. He sees them as being racist and they have often tried to control what is said on X.

What has “I’m deeply disinterested in giving the tiniest shit now about western Jewish populations coming to the disturbing realization that those hordes of minorities that support flooding their country don’t exactly like them too much” have to do with the ADL?

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Thereissomelight · 02/12/2023 18:55

I’m not your employee so you’ll have to look that up yourself. The information is freely available.

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Begsthequestion · 02/12/2023 18:54

Thereissomelight · 02/12/2023 18:39

He clarified that his post was directed against the ADL with whom he has had a long-standing issue. He sees them as being racist and they have often tried to control what is said on X.

What examples has he given showing ADL has often tried to control what is said on twitter?

Musk is the one in charge, who fires/bans/blocks people on there that he doesn't like or disagrees with.

How would the ADL have such power to control his personally-owned platform?

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Thereissomelight · 02/12/2023 18:39

He clarified that his post was directed against the ADL with whom he has had a long-standing issue. He sees them as being racist and they have often tried to control what is said on X.

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Begsthequestion · 02/12/2023 18:16

Begsthequestion · 02/12/2023 18:04

He wrote in support of a very in

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Sorry idk what happened there!

@BethDuttonsTwin He seems to support the conspiracy theory of the Great Replacement (a rehash of old nazi ideas). Do you not think this is antisemitic?

megletthesecond · 02/12/2023 18:13

I don't think he has a plan. Just what he fancies doing or saying each day when he gets up.

basculin · 02/12/2023 18:05

BethDuttonsTwin · 02/12/2023 17:57

I agree with you OP. Elon Musk is not antisemitic and only those who uncritically accept everything they are spoon fed, believe that he is. It’s all so tiresome having to keep seeing these righteous assertions being made based on biased information. X is the only place telling the truth right now, community comments are brilliant and rigorously enforce accurate information. Anyone worth listening to agrees, those who don’t are the ones trying to bring it down. I hope he and X remain, they’re desperately needed.

He said a post that said Jewish people are pushing hatred against white people and promoted the great replacement theory is the actual truth.

Begsthequestion · 02/12/2023 18:04

BethDuttonsTwin · 02/12/2023 17:57

I agree with you OP. Elon Musk is not antisemitic and only those who uncritically accept everything they are spoon fed, believe that he is. It’s all so tiresome having to keep seeing these righteous assertions being made based on biased information. X is the only place telling the truth right now, community comments are brilliant and rigorously enforce accurate information. Anyone worth listening to agrees, those who don’t are the ones trying to bring it down. I hope he and X remain, they’re desperately needed.

He wrote in support of a very in

Begsthequestion · 02/12/2023 18:03

Thereissomelight · 02/12/2023 17:31

Hopefully.

Advertisers are of course free to pull whatever ads they want. They have free speech and agency. The large agents pulling many advertisers at once from X will have anticipated that this will put X out of business. Hopefully this won’t be the case and X will continue to be a platform for free speech - for all, not just for some.

Very few people are rich enough to stand up to the relatively small group of very wealthy men who use their influence to decide who will lose jobs and businesses on their say so. Elon Musk is one of these who can and will stand up to them. I think it’s important that such people exist.

So you admit that no one is censoring Elon Musk, and that he's not a victim, he's actually one of the richest and most powerful people in the world.

He also seems to be fighting for the rights of racists to say racist things on his own platform. That is his perogative, no one is stopping him.

I don't understand why you agree with his opinion that he should be immune from the normal consequences of his speech, ie. people who don't like what he says choosing not to do business with him?

Surely that is a part of freedom of speech - you are free to say what you like, even if what you say might hurt other people's feelings, or make them want to distance themselves from you as a result.

The people hearing you don't have to pretend to like what you're saying, or continue to be associated with you afterwards.

Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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