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Elon Musk - what’s his plan?

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Thereissomelight · 27/11/2023 23:13

Having been accused of antisemitism, Elon, the free-speech champion, spent today in the company of Netanyahu watching videos of Hamas atrocities and hearing about Netanyahu’s vision for the Middle East.
I have (I thought) a lot of respect for Elon. Does he have a plan for world peace? Did the US ask him to intervene? (as clearly, despite being “anti-Semitic”, he has the ear of Netanyahu).
Or is he simply bowing to the consumer and trying to keep his numbers up on X? I hope not, but what are peoples’ views?

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Begsthequestion · 15/02/2024 19:13

runningpram · 15/02/2024 08:05

Why is he viewed as anti-semitic? I thought he was of Jewish heritage? A genuine question.

He's not of Jewish heritage. He's Pennsylvanian Dutch and British heritage and grew up as a white South African under aparthied.

After being accused of anti-Semitism recently, he went to Auschwitz with right winger Ben Shapiro, and there Musk claimed that he couldn't be anti-Semitic because he has so many Jewish friends that he is "Jewish by association" and "aspirationally Jewish" Confused

https://forward.com/culture/500869/elon-musk-twitter-jewish-hebrew-name/

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-jewish-by-association-after-auschwitz-tour-2024-1 < this article details Musk's promotion of the anti-Semitic conspiracy theory, the "great replacement", which he was criticised for prior to his visit to the concentration camp.

Is Elon Musk Jewish?

The new owner of Twitter has a Hebrew name, but surprise — he's not Jewish. Despite his gentile heritage, his name is worth looking into.

https://forward.com/culture/500869/elon-musk-twitter-jewish-hebrew-name

runningpram · 15/02/2024 08:05

Why is he viewed as anti-semitic? I thought he was of Jewish heritage? A genuine question.

revsersalenergy · 28/01/2024 18:31

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/22/world/europe/elon-musk-auschwitz-jewish-antisemitism.html

OP must be heartbroken.

copiley695 · 06/12/2023 18:05

Thereissomelight · 06/12/2023 17:52

But the ADL doesn’t place adverts. Or that’s not it’s primary function.

Of course that's not its primary function.

Elon Musk agreed with an anti-Semitic tweet, the same tweet that I can only assume you also agree with due to your refusal to say otherwise (kind of like the video of the University presidents refusing to say calling for genocide is harrassment). Advertisers pulled their ads because being associated with anti-Semitism is a bad look and Musk proceeded to throw his toys out the pram. At least that's my reading of the situation.

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Thereissomelight · 06/12/2023 18:04

copiley695 · 06/12/2023 17:52

Twisting? I quoted you verbatim. It's not my fault you refuse to answer a simple yes or no question.

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How can I say yes or no? I haven’t researched it so I don’t know.

Why do you keep on asking a question that has been answered three times now? I’d hate to think you’re just here to amuse yourself at the expense of thousands of murdered innocent children. I’m sure that can’t possibly be it - who would do that? - but unfortunately your motives are unclear so I’m not going to engage any further with you.

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Thereissomelight · 06/12/2023 17:52

But the ADL doesn’t place adverts. Or that’s not it’s primary function.

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copiley695 · 06/12/2023 17:52

Thereissomelight · 06/12/2023 17:45

Oh the word twisting.

Meanwhile Israel is murdering thousands of innocent children.

Twisting? I quoted you verbatim. It's not my fault you refuse to answer a simple yes or no question.

copiley695 · 06/12/2023 17:51

Thereissomelight · 06/12/2023 17:48

The ADL is not an ad company by the way.

Okay, it is my belief that organisations can pull their adverts from a platform for any reason they wish.

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Thereissomelight · 06/12/2023 17:48

The ADL is not an ad company by the way.

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Thereissomelight · 06/12/2023 17:45

Oh the word twisting.

Meanwhile Israel is murdering thousands of innocent children.

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copiley695 · 06/12/2023 17:20

Thereissomelight · 06/12/2023 17:14

Okey doke.
Be offended at something I didn’t say if you absolutely must.

No response to my questions about attempted to censor reporting of the murders of thousands of innocent children?

So you're saying you don't think that Jews were pushing the hatred against whites that they claimed was being pushed against them?

As for "censorship", it is my belief that companies can pull their adverts from a platform for any reason they wish. If someone endorsed an anti-Semitic tweet I might pull my ads from their platform too.

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Thereissomelight · 06/12/2023 17:15

Attempting to censor

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Thereissomelight · 06/12/2023 17:14

Okey doke.
Be offended at something I didn’t say if you absolutely must.

No response to my questions about attempted to censor reporting of the murders of thousands of innocent children?

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copiley695 · 06/12/2023 17:11

Thereissomelight · 06/12/2023 17:07

Above is the question already asked and responded to.

Please don’t derail the thread again by asking repeated pointless unanswerable questions.

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That's not an answer, that's a refusal to answer. You are the one who said "In several interviews, Musk has said his endorsement was related to the part of the poster’s comment that said that Jews were pushing the hatred against whites that they claimed was being pushed against them.". That kind of implies you understand what it means. If you can't say that you don't think Jews are pushing hatred against whites then your answer is very much implied.

Sorry, I know you only wanted this thread to be about how super duper Elon Musk is and not the anti-Semitism your idol likes to endorse.

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Thereissomelight · 06/12/2023 17:07

Thereissomelight · 28/11/2023 19:44

Where did I say I didn’t think he was anti semitic? The point of my OP was that I don’t know what he is or isn’t.

I have no idea how to answer your question which i feel is irrelevant to my OP. Do you mean all Jewish people or just some of them? How would I go about finding this out?

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Above is the question already asked and responded to.

Please don’t derail the thread again by asking repeated pointless unanswerable questions.

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Thereissomelight · 06/12/2023 17:05

No it’s not a yes or no answer. How would I know whether it’s true or not? IS it true??

Elon has publicly accused the ADL of trying to interfere with free speech on X. If THAT is true it’s quite a serious accusation, given that Israel has barred or murdered any journalists trying to report on the thousands of innocent children being murdered in Gaza. The Gazans, in the absence of journalists on the ground, depend upon being able to post their own footage to social media. So it’s pretty disgusting to think that there are people in the US who would set out to block this.

What do YOU think about it all? Is Elon correct? And if so, is this suppression of free speech a disgusting thing to do?

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copiley695 · 06/12/2023 16:53

Thereissomelight · 06/12/2023 16:33

Look harder. I’m not your secretary.

No need to be rude. I looked. You have never said whether you agree with that statement. It's a yes or no question.

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Thereissomelight · 06/12/2023 16:33

Look harder. I’m not your secretary.

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copiley695 · 06/12/2023 16:27

Thereissomelight · 06/12/2023 16:14

This question was asked earlier in the thread and I answered it. Asking it again won’t change the answer.

Where? I don't see an answer.

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Thereissomelight · 06/12/2023 16:20

Constant pointless defection and derailing to avoid the deeper issues.

Which are that Israel is killing thousands and thousands of innocent children and there are no journalists allowed to enter and many journalists in Gaza have been targeted and killed.

So Gazans post footage on free speech platforms such as X. And lo and behold, Elon feels that there are attempts being made to make X unviable as a platform for free speech.

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Thereissomelight · 06/12/2023 16:14

This question was asked earlier in the thread and I answered it. Asking it again won’t change the answer.

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copiley695 · 06/12/2023 15:59

Thereissomelight · 06/12/2023 14:18

What is the relevance of your question?

Do YOU think that X and other free speech platforms should be threatened with loss of revenue unless they only allow free speech from certain political viewpoints?

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This thread is about Elon Musk. That is what Elon Musk agreed with.

So are you going to answer or...?

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Thereissomelight · 06/12/2023 14:18

copiley695 · 06/12/2023 13:38

So do you agree with "the actual truth", that - in your words - Jews were pushing the hatred against whites?

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What is the relevance of your question?

Do YOU think that X and other free speech platforms should be threatened with loss of revenue unless they only allow free speech from certain political viewpoints?

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copiley695 · 06/12/2023 13:38

Thereissomelight · 02/12/2023 19:18

@basculin
The words you quote are not Elon Musk’s words.

In several interviews, Musk has said his endorsement was related to the part of the poster’s comment that said that Jews were pushing the hatred against whites that they claimed was being pushed against them. Musk went on to clarify in subsequent posts that not all Jews were racist to whites (and others) but that he did find the ADL to be racist. He has a history with the ADL attempting to limit certain kinds of speech on X.

His interviews are all available to watch and listen to. You don’t need to make things up.

So do you agree with "the actual truth", that - in your words - Jews were pushing the hatred against whites?

Begsthequestion · 03/12/2023 17:38

Do you love him because he's rich, op?

No, that would be as ridiculous as what you just said about people hating him because he's rich.

He's a powerful, obnoxious white supremacist who posts far right memes and impregnates white women because he believes in anti-jewish conspiracy theories. That's a good enough reason to dislike him imo.