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“Pause” ends tomorrow. Anyone else filled with dread ?

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Desertrose2023 · 27/11/2023 15:28

Just that really. I’ve felt such relief the past couple of days that my phone won’t be filled with a constant stream of murdered Palestinian kids and wailing parents. That all ends tomorrow and I have such a sense of foreboding even though I’m safe and comfortable thousands of miles away. I can’t begin to imagine the dread the Palestinians in Gaza must be feeling tonight knowing their genocide resumes tomorrow. When will it end 😞

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Lifesd · 02/12/2023 21:07

@Chaitales what would you call people who are in prison in this country for terrorist related crimes? Or is it just Isreal who isn’t allowed to incarcerate people who commit acts of terror against them?

ChickHenLittle · 02/12/2023 21:03

May I add that some other threads are full of personal insults that are not deleted. I now avoid many and have stopped following them due to the way some posters, myself included, are talked about. It feels like being back in the playground.

ChickHenLittle · 02/12/2023 21:01

@EasterIssland @Chaitales I've attached a screenshot of the response. Anyone shouting hate speech while waving the Palestinian flag has hijacked it and should be arrested (the original post said the Palestinian flag represented Hamas when those waving it called for heinous acts such as death to all Jews). Such acts do not represent Palestine or its flag. The Palestinian flag does not represent Hamas. Ever. Hamas have their own flag and hell mend those waving it!

“Pause” ends tomorrow. Anyone else filled with dread ?
EasterIssland · 02/12/2023 20:58

I’ve been told that as long as the comment is not directed at a person directly your post respects guidelines.

I did reply “oh so can I say then that all those that support Israel then are xyz (something negative)” and not be told off ? Because id expect you to tell me off and delete my message. I never heard back from 🤷🏻‍♀️@mnhq

hope there is a ceasefire now for the shake of the Palestinians

Chaitales · 02/12/2023 20:54

ChickHenLittle · 02/12/2023 20:50

I reported posts equating the Palestinian flag with Hamas and was told they would be allowed to stand as it was the poster's opinion...

Unbelievable
Slightly dystopian

EasterIssland · 02/12/2023 20:53

ChickHenLittle · 02/12/2023 20:50

I reported posts equating the Palestinian flag with Hamas and was told they would be allowed to stand as it was the poster's opinion...

That’s a stupid reply as all comments are opinions 🤔🤦🏻‍♀️

ChickHenLittle · 02/12/2023 20:50

Chaitales · 02/12/2023 20:41

So MN just sent an email saying "they remove any posts that employ stereotypes, conspiracy theories or target Jewish people as a whole"..... interesting that Palestinians or any other religions are not mentioned. So people can accuse all Palestinians of being Hamas/terrorists, and that won't flout MN rules?

I reported posts equating the Palestinian flag with Hamas and was told they would be allowed to stand as it was the poster's opinion...

Chaitales · 02/12/2023 20:41

So MN just sent an email saying "they remove any posts that employ stereotypes, conspiracy theories or target Jewish people as a whole"..... interesting that Palestinians or any other religions are not mentioned. So people can accuse all Palestinians of being Hamas/terrorists, and that won't flout MN rules?

ChickHenLittle · 02/12/2023 20:32

Chaitales · 02/12/2023 20:30

It's a good live demonstration of brainwashing...

Absolutely. I do try very hard to be reasoned in all of my responses, but statements like that... it's a scary mindset and worrying that some see it as a viable option.

Chaitales · 02/12/2023 20:30

ChickHenLittle · 02/12/2023 20:29

Yep, H bomb is a thermonuclear bomb. I don't even think that poster is a troll - worryingly, I believe they are being quite genuine.

It's a good live demonstration of brainwashing...

ChickHenLittle · 02/12/2023 20:29

Chaitales · 02/12/2023 20:25

Is she actually threatening with a nuclear bomb on Gaza?

This message is literally a threat - we cant use the word murder or genocide, but she is threatening bombs. Wow.

Yep, H bomb is a thermonuclear bomb. I don't even think that poster is a troll - worryingly, I believe they are being quite genuine.

Chaitales · 02/12/2023 20:28

EasterIssland · 02/12/2023 20:21

I hope you’re never PM or close to one with such hatred words.

PM... first be loosely human....

Not that the latter is a necessity for being the former sadly

Chaitales · 02/12/2023 20:25

ChickHenLittle · 02/12/2023 20:03

don't do those things to us in future or we might even revert to what we did in WWII to end the war with the H bomb etc. War is awful but Israel certainly did not start this.

Your posts are never exactly measured, but for goodness sake stop spewing such hatred.
The UK government supports the Israeli government, public outrage should tell you that the UK public, largely, does not.
"Those that we do not like"... give me strength.

Is she actually threatening with a nuclear bomb on Gaza?

This message is literally a threat - we cant use the word murder or genocide, but she is threatening bombs. Wow.

Chaitales · 02/12/2023 20:22

ChickHenLittle · 02/12/2023 20:03

don't do those things to us in future or we might even revert to what we did in WWII to end the war with the H bomb etc. War is awful but Israel certainly did not start this.

Your posts are never exactly measured, but for goodness sake stop spewing such hatred.
The UK government supports the Israeli government, public outrage should tell you that the UK public, largely, does not.
"Those that we do not like"... give me strength.

Honestly............................

Xenia's "we" is so ominous. Reminds me of Bush - you are either with us or against us (the with us, obv, meaning please support our fake war in Iraq to kill a million people, destroy a country, steal the oil, and then admit it was a slight mistake)

EasterIssland · 02/12/2023 20:21

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I hope you’re never PM or close to one with such hatred words.

ChickHenLittle · 02/12/2023 20:03

This reply has been deleted

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don't do those things to us in future or we might even revert to what we did in WWII to end the war with the H bomb etc. War is awful but Israel certainly did not start this.

Your posts are never exactly measured, but for goodness sake stop spewing such hatred.
The UK government supports the Israeli government, public outrage should tell you that the UK public, largely, does not.
"Those that we do not like"... give me strength.

Xenia · 02/12/2023 19:59

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Chaitales · 02/12/2023 18:05

BabaBarrio · 02/12/2023 18:00

This was published a month ago, when the death toll was 5 fold greater than that in Israel compared to the 10 fold greater it is now.

It is worth noting after a dozen posts dedicated to Israeli hostages, that the just as innocent dead civilians in Gaza all have names and had lives too.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2023/11/1/know-their-names-palestinians-killed-in-israeli-attacks-on-gaza

I’m so tired of hearing blame Hamas, it’s Hamas fault that Israel’s military is committing war crimes. It’s like saying Satan made me do it. Israel is the occupying force with the superior military numbers of troops and arms. Its leaders are responsible for their choices, they cannot claim to be puppets of Hamas.

Except in this case, idf is playing the part of Satan

BabaBarrio · 02/12/2023 18:00

This was published a month ago, when the death toll was 5 fold greater than that in Israel compared to the 10 fold greater it is now.

It is worth noting after a dozen posts dedicated to Israeli hostages, that the just as innocent dead civilians in Gaza all have names and had lives too.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2023/11/1/know-their-names-palestinians-killed-in-israeli-attacks-on-gaza

I’m so tired of hearing blame Hamas, it’s Hamas fault that Israel’s military is committing war crimes. It’s like saying Satan made me do it. Israel is the occupying force with the superior military numbers of troops and arms. Its leaders are responsible for their choices, they cannot claim to be puppets of Hamas.

Know their names: Palestinians killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza

A Palestinian child in Gaza is killed in an Israeli attack every 10 minutes.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2023/11/1/know-their-names-palestinians-killed-in-israeli-attacks-on-gaza

Silence1 · 02/12/2023 11:47

@Parkingt111 The old use of fear and coercion by those in control, be they terrorists or Govts, to manipulate their populations to an endless cycle of violence.

Parkingt111 · 02/12/2023 11:36

*covertly

Katy231 · 02/12/2023 11:35

I don't really understand Israel ... I thought it was supposed to be a westernised place but it doesn't sound like it is. The people aren't very forward thinking are they? ... How can the general population cheer on LGBTQ+ whilst also wanting children to be bombed?

The fact that song has gotten to number 1 has really confused me. It's disturbing.

Parkingt111 · 02/12/2023 11:26

Anotherdayanotherdiet · 02/12/2023 11:16

I see it on this site - trying to define all people from Gaza as Hamas in order to justify their genocide.

I have noticed several posts trying to claim that the crimes of October 7 were perpetrated by the general population of Gaza rather than Hamas. It doesn’t take a genius to work out the agenda behind that reasoning.

I have seen the increase of this rhetoric in recent days all over social media and even by prominent figures. Its not just a silly tiktok trend. It's gaining traction and becoming more and more socially acceptable in some places to demonise all or most of the Palestinians

This is extremely concerning as history tells us that when a government wants to gain support for their attack on another people or state they often use this tactic so they don't much opposition in their actions.

Is there examples of radicalisation? Yes
But I'm not naive enough to think that there's only one way this is carried out, and theirs only one side doing it

Some of it is done overtly. And some in plain sight for all to see

Chaitales · 02/12/2023 11:22

Parkingt111 · 02/12/2023 10:40

@Stomacharmeleon this is the article I was referring too

Thanks @Parkingt111

Chaitales · 02/12/2023 11:18

ohforheavenssakedearcomeonnow · 01/12/2023 22:41

Of course not, but then Israel have not taken any innocent civilians hostage which caused the conflict.

Israel has hundreds of people hostage (they call them prisoners), held without charges, no access to legal justice, in a differing system to Israeli citizens, and subject to violence, and if they die, their skin and organs harvested without consent. For the last 75 years. Verbal gymnastics aside, this is as abhorrent as anything Hamas is accused of, except that it's a proscribed terrorist organisation and Israel is a government which calls itself a democracy and these injustices are overseen by the world's democracies.