“Pause” ends tomorrow. Anyone else filled with dread ?

Democracy as in
Multi party system
Allows regular elections
Rule of law that allows citizens to participate. All citizens (see knesset)

Democracy.

@Stomacharmeleon I think I will trust Amnesty et al over some random on the internet but thank you. And I reject your inevitable smear of all human rights organisations.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/israels-apartheid-against-palestinians-a-cruel-system-of-domination-and-a-crime-against-humanity/

And disembowel them....

@paladium England has been described as 'perfidious Albion'. Just because something is documented doesn't make it fact.

@Chaitales I don't think some posters really have an intention in engaging in actual debate or providing evidence. Simply repeating the same thing over and over on lots of threads, comments bearing little relevance to the original thread.

Israel is not a democracy, it is a documented apartheid state.

It would be interesting to hear you're prospective - you keep repeating this line "Israel is a democracy" but without any analysis or qualifiers - do you want to expand on why you believe this?

@Pennina nobody is disputing that Gaza is not a democracy. We are pointing out that Israel is NOT a democracy, despite presenting itself as one.

No, they hang them in Gaza. Publicly.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CapitalpunishmenttintheeGaza_Strip

A total horror show.

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/12/03/unicef-james-elder-gaza-hospital-children-israel-safe-zone-intl-cnntmw-vpx.cnn

@twilightmoon3 and the former chief prosecutor of the ICC, agrees it's clear cut case of genocide.

James Elder UNICEF spokesman in Gaza - it's now a genocide pure and simple. But Hamas....

https://twitter.com/1james_elder/status/1731367196960444427

@Wale90 exactly.

Democracies don't beat their citizens for protesting against their governments...

Israel is an apartheid regime not a democracy.

Sorry @Xenia Israel is not a democracy. Democracies don't oppress millions of the population on the basis of their race.

I realise there are very very very different views of this so am glad mumsnetters continue to discuss the issue even though we are utterly opposed to the positions of others. Israel is a modern democracy along the lines of the US and UK and is our friend in the UK. Hamas is an appalling terrorist organisation and Israel which has right on its side has a right to protect itself.

@Toothyfruity @Chaitales @Wale90 makes sense, thank you all.

I expect a combination of upholding western white images of righteousness and morality, coupled with our main institutes that would be responsible, crown, military, police, government continuing to benefit from a history of colonialism so wanting to avoid any criticism/upsetting the apple cart.

I'm not entirely sure - will have to read up on it.

Also, some other apologies due:

• Boer War concentration caps
• the Bengal famine
• Irish potato famine

Saving face I think. I'm not British though. But a few months ago legislation was enacted to stop any British soldier ever being charged with the murders of civilians in Northern Ireland. So even when it comes to British citizens (not that the Catholics/nationalists would identify as such and it was exclusively Catholics including children who the soldiers murdered), it gives an insight into the mentality that it's OK to murder when the killer is a British soldier and the victim is an Irish Catholic.

@Chaitales Side note, I’m curious to know the rationale behind refusing to apologise for the bad stuff we did. Would it implicate us financially for compensation, or is it more about saving face?

While we are at apologies, can we ask Britain to apologise for

• Amritsar massacre (we regret it, but no apologies)
• Mau Mau - King Charles has spoken of Britain's “abhorrent and unjustifiable acts of violence” committed against Kenyans during their fight for independence, but stopped short of an apology despite human rights groups demanding on
• UK Slave trade and reparations - outright rejected
• Scores more but cba right now

It would be laughable if not for the tragedy in Israel wake.

This is their legacy, when the penny drops and the awakening happens as to what decades of Zionist nationalist propaganda has done to generations it'll be Israel who is remembered for inflicting a deadly assault on children, journalists, mothers, fathers, medics... For land.

Kill our people
Take our land
Imprison the rest
Kill whenever we feel like it
Torture whoever we want
You kill back
Now you say sorry
STAMP MY FEET SAY SORRY NOW

How about starting with asking Israel to apologise for just ONE thing - lets be easy on them. One thing - not 75 years of occupation and ongoing terror, murder, imprisonment and assault, but one thing

The 1948 Nakba

The foundational events of the Nakba took place during and shortly after the 1948 Palestine war, including 78% of Mandatory Palestine being declared as Israel, the expulsion and flight of 700,000 Palestinians, the related depopulation and destruction of over 500 Palestinian villages by Zionist militias and later the Israeli army[3] and subsequent geographical erasure, the denial of the Palestinian right of return, the creation of permanent Palestinian refugees, and the "shattering of Palestinian society".

Apologise to Israel 🤣