“Pause” ends tomorrow. Anyone else filled with dread ?

The truce wasn't in the West Bank. If murdering people in the West Bank breaks the truce then surely Israel broke it on Wednesday when it shot 2 children dead? Or do Palestinian deaths in the West Bank not count?

News here is not saying that Hamas fired rockets first. It's saying it's unclear but Israel resumed bombardment early this morning and have killed 32 people.

@Toothyfruity

I didn't see anything on the news about Hamas breaking the truce.
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So just to be completely clear on that point: You've really, genuinely not seen any mention of the Hamas sponsored attack on the bus stop in Jerusalem yesterday (I posted a link to the generally not IDF friendly Guardian report on the attack upthread a while back) or the launching of rockets from Gaza towards Israel in the early hours of this AM?

IDF Raids, arrests, and killings have ramped up massively in the WB there and a 9 year old was shot yesterday I think. Whether you agree with that or not, tensions in the WB do inflame the situation. Any new truce should have conditions for some kind of break in hostilities in the WB also. I would hope mediators could persuade both sides of its importance.

I didn't see anything on the news about Hamas breaking the truce. News where I am is saying it looks like Israel broke it but no one is saying for sure. But all international health and human rights agencies agree Israel should stop.

Israel are the ones who've killed over 30 people this morning alone so I just want them to stop.

Aid has stopped going in. Rafah crossing closed due to bombardment. Somebody asked if it was still going in, so just read that in the G.

@Toothyfruity then why aren't Hamas playing ball? Why commit more atrocities in Israel? Why not hold them to account?

And this is a death sentence for Gaza. There are ways to fight a war other than bombing civilian neighbourhoods and hospitals and schools. This is about causing terror though to ethnically cleanse the area so that's why they're doing it this way.

This. Hamas know what to do if they want it to stop. Hand over all the hostages and surrender and take part in meaningful peace negotiations. If you attack another country they will retaliate.

@Decemberdaily well said.

I haven't seen one Pro Palestinian poster criticise Hamas for breaking the ceasefire. It's this organisation's fault - pure and simple. They started it and then broke the truce. Wake up and smell the coffee! Every casualty on both sides is a tragedy but Hamas wanted this and won't stop!

Hamas took responsibility for yesterday's two terrorist attacks, 3 murdered including a heavily pregnant teacher. Rockets started at 5:42 am, (ceasefire was until 7 am), with sirens in Sderot, Ivim, Nir Am, Gavim, Sapir College. They don't appear to care about or want a ceasefire.

If Hamas are blatantly breaking the ceasefire, I don't understand how pressurising Israel not to respond will help. If they see they can keep breaking the ceasefire, they will just escalate the attacks, which is exactly what happened in the year leading up to October 7th. We were holding in a ceasefire with Hamas, and they continuously sent terrorists over who killed civilians during this 'ceasefire', interspersed with rocket attacks, until they finally culminated in committing the massacre in October. At this point, the ceasefire was broken beyond repair, and Israel went to war.

Pressure needs to be brought on Hamas, whether from Qatar or anyone who they will listen to, to respect the ceasefire (and ideally for Hamas to surrender), or the ceasefire is only a ceasefire for one side. They have made it very clear that October 7th was a 'practice run' and they want to repeat the atrocities again and again. I do NOT want war, every single Palestinian death IS a tragedy, but unless pressure is put on Hamas, calling for just Israel to stop, and not for Hamas to surrender, is asking us to sign our death sentences.

Yes, I am filled with dread, for Israel, and for Gaza.

Ok well the ceasefire was broken by Hamas when they didn't hand over a list of hostages to release, so even though you don't want trust Israeli media Hamas are still the ones who broke the ceasefire.

I'm leaving this thread now as it's obviously not going to go anywhere.

I hope things get better soon.

I was asking for 5 minutes without people making posts blaming the victims, or anyone other than Israel, for the Israeli bombings. No one is forcing Israel to bomb Gaza. They're not putting and end to Hamas or getting hostages released by doing it.

You don't have to be so dismissive and flippant of me. It shouldn't be beyond belief to you that there are people out there who are sad to hear that a civilian population that is already on its knees with no services or healthcare is being bombed by one of the most advanced military forces on earth.

I'm not twisting what Israel is saying or doing. Only Israel is saying that there were rockets from Gaza first. I can't find anyone else saying that. They are bombing civilians. That's a fact. I'm not twisting it. It's gross and horrendous beyond belief but that's on Israel, not me.

Early morning bombing following rockets fired from Gaza. And before all that, Hamas not providing a list of hostages to release, which meant the ceasefire was over.

Israel has been preparing for when the fighting started again, they haven't kept that secret. They knew they would eventually have to resume and they decided in advance where they would go so they had leaflets already printed. Hamas have also been preparing. That's how they once again have enough to fuel to fire rockets into Israel.

Literally everything Israel says and does is somehow twisted by you to make it bad. Including them warning civilians to evacuate.

I take it your five minutes of sadness are over now, then.

@MrsSkylerWhite

I don’t care whose fault it is. It has to stop. On both sides, it’s innocent civilians who are suffering.

Understood but I was addressing the point you were making specifically about the IDF's actions this AM and hostages.

"It was all over the Israeli news yesterday. I watched it live at my in laws house, so I don't have links right now. Sorry. No one I know in Israel was surprised that fighting resumed today, the signs were all there." @Humdingerydoo

It seems like a good bit of prep work was put in. Between the leaflets and the early morning bombing. And giving a reasonable excuse to those watching at home (i.e blame Hamas) would have been part of that.

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@MrsSkylerWhite

I really don’t understand why the IDF is ordered to resume when so many Israeli hostages are still at risk.

Well it maybe might be worth asking HAMAS, not the IDF, why the return of hostages appeared to be drying up...there are actually some quite grim possibilities.

In any event I'm sure the resumption will all be the IDF''s fault, despite the HAMAS sponsored attack at a bus stop yesterday and several instances of rockets being fired towards the Israeli civilian population in the early hours of this morning.”
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I don’t care whose fault it is. It has to stop. On both sides, it’s innocent civilians who are suffering.
All wars end with talk. The rest of the world has to impose talks and demand a ceasefire.

@MrsSkylerWhite

I really don’t understand why the IDF is ordered to resume when so many Israeli hostages are still at risk.

Well it maybe might be worth asking HAMAS, not the IDF, why the return of hostages appeared to be drying up...there are actually some quite grim possibilities.

In any event I'm sure the resumption will all be the IDF''s fault, despite the HAMAS sponsored attack at a bus stop yesterday and several instances of rockets being fired towards the Israeli civilian population in the early hours of this morning.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/30/jerusalem-bus-stop-shooting-attack-killed-injured

@Ixxy1980 the issue is that despite being asked to move to Rafah, there has been strikes in Rafah too since this morning
So It's not really safe to move there either

I really don’t understand why the IDF is ordered to resume when so many Israeli hostages are still at risk. Their families must be beyond desperate/furious.

Does Netanyahu have support from the general population?

According to BBC talks are still ongoing even though the ceasefire has ended so hopefully it won’t take weeks this time to come to another agreement. It’s horrifying how Hamas can care so little for their own people, I don’t think they care how many people die on either side. Apparently civilians in Gaza have been told to move to Rafah at the Egyptian border. Hopefully the IDF will actually give them time to do this before they start bombing!

The link is recent footage from this morning of a young family moving away from Israeli tanks, nothing graphic for those who don’t like to click on links but still heart-breaking nonetheless.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C0TVihwNJ3m/?igshid=ODhhZWM5NmIwOQ==

That and the other poster accusing Israel of being bloodthirsty. But I'll leave you alone. I've said my piece. I don't feel the need to make my point again, it won't help anyone and will just further antagonise people who don't want to hear it.

I hope things don't escalate further and that another ceasefire can be arranged.

Just on a side note I have read on sky that despite the fighting starting again Qatar and Egypt are still continuing with efforts to negotiate a further truce/ceasefire so it could still happen again
Hopefully

I assume by inflammatory language you mean my use of the word "slaughter".

It is slaughter.

@Humdingerydoo thank you. I did Google but I couldn't see it reported anywhere else which is why I asked
And yes I know you don't want war
No one is winning here sadly