“Pause” ends tomorrow. Anyone else filled with dread ?

@ohforheavenssakedearcomeonnow
”Why aren't some of you protesting in the streets about Hamas being allowed to break the ceasefire , provoke Israel into eradicating them quite rightfully and for putting civilians in harm's way?”

Israel was breaking the ceasefire from day one. They shot and killed civilians in Gaza. They refused to let the agreed on 200 trucks of humanitarian aid in, only allowing in around half that. They agreed to a certain amount of fuel going in and then refused to let it all in. They agreed to release Palestinian prisoners, released them, but then went back and re-detained some of them. They tear gassed and shot and killed family members waiting for the prisoner release outside Ofer prison.

I don’t think the Hamas attack was like 9/11 at all. I was there in NYC when 9/11 happened to the twin towers, the Pentagon and then the one that crashed after the hostages overpowered the hijackers.

I didn’t agree with Netanhyu’s comparison to 9/11 and I certainly won’t agree with anyone parroting it.

Why aren't some of you protesting in the streets about Hamas being allowed to break the ceasefire , provoke Israel into eradicating them quite rightfully and for putting civilians in harm's way?

If the rest of the hostages were released now, and Hamas leaders gave themselves up, then the conflict would end immediately.

It's not going to end unless Hamas do the right thing so as tragic as all casualties are on both sides, bleating about Israel isn't going to change anything.

So how about calling for Hamas to do the right thing on the streets of the UK?

I mean look at this disgusting behaviour:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/galleries/article-12814697/Hamas-parade-distressed-captive-father-dead-baby-Kfir-new-video.html

@SharonEllis

Adjusting for inflation, US aid to Israel from 1951 to 2022 totaled $317.9 billion, making it the largest recipient of American foreign aid since World War II.

Israel remains reliant on US aid and support

Its so interestimg when people reveal how little they know about the region in their simplistic black/white/oppressor/victim shaping of the conflict. Israel gets US aid certainly but its a highly sophisticated economy - the biggest in the Middle East, and one of the biggest centres of tech industries in the world. Israel makes huge amounts of money from its own exports, including arms. The idea that its some sort of pawn of imperial nations UK & US, as someone suggested above, is nonsense - not least because the UK hasn't had an empire for a very long time & its international influence is much less than it was.

More Palestinian deaths funded by money and arms provided to Israel by the UK and US - poor judgment!

OK we'll say that Hamas ended the ceasefire then.

Israel still killed 100 people today and are terrorising hundreds of thousands of civilians.

It is right that Israel continues given what terrorist Hamas has done. The actions of Hamas in Israel are like the US 9/11. Democracies like US, Israel and UK protect our rights and freedoms and are justified in their actions when attacked - this war - it is awful but it is what allows us all to do who we do in the West.

@Toothyfruity

'But I am not arguing about who broke it'
'News where I am saying Israel broke it'

You are wrong.

This is appalling. How can they say they are trying to minimise civilian casualties by telling them to go to a certain location and then proceeding to bomb that location! I think they are just paying lip service to the US by distributing those leaflets, they said that hopefully it will get less confusing as civilians get used to it; it’s like some sort of sick real-life squid game!

It’s so awful to see that families have so little trust that there is anywhere safe to go, that they are staying in their houses, preferring to die together in their homes, it must be so horrific for the parents holding their children, not knowing if they are going to survive the night.

James Elder from UNICEF is still in Gaza in the largest functioning hospital which is at 200% capacity, and filled with wounded children sleeping on the floors. He said that a bomb hit literally 50 metres away. https://www.instagram.com/reel/C0UQJQnN0ih/?igshid=ODhhZWM5NmIwOQ==

The IDF are in Gaza, in tanks, they have forces on the ground. I don’t understand why they don’t use ground units to go for Hamas rather than just dropping bombs. Surely that would be the best way to minimise civilian casualties?!

Absolutely, I agree it is not reasonable to indiscriminately kill or hurt people and the focus should be on this rather than ‘but he started it first’. Both sides believe that the other side started it and there will be no end to the deaths with this sort of childish, selfish, ego driven reasoning.

Per your own source Israel broke the ceasefire - "The UN humanitarian office, OCHA, reported that despite the pause in fighting, Israeli forces shot at Palestinians in Gaza on November 29, killing two people. They also shelled people on November 30."

But I'm not actually arguing about who broke it. I never said Israel definitely did, I just pointed out that only Israeli sources were saying that Hamas broke it first. International sources were saying they didn't know.

My point has always been that bombing neighbourhoods full of people is not reasonable, and I want Israel to stop slaughtering innocents.

I think the current situation shows that won't happen. Israel was always clear that fighting would resume after a temporary ceasefire and once hostages were released. One thing I can say is that they are very open in their intentions.
Their disproportionate attack on Gaza is unjustifiable. No amount of mental gymnastics can make anyone believe this is self defence at this point.

So again the war resumes. It could stop if hamas surrender and give up hostages. Let peace keepers in to rin the country.

They won't do that though their aim is to continue to attack Israel, who won't sit back and take it so more and more people die. Its awful.

It's heartbreaking. Most of the international community will be too late to condemn the Israeli government, I fear. Their actions must never be forgiven or forgotten, which I believe will be the case, but it's too little too late to condemn them in hindsight.

Apparently Hamas blame Israel for stopping fuel coming in. Ah, good enough reason to launch rockets into Israel then 😟

Israel say Hamas wouldn't name any more hostages for release.

@Toothyfruity
If you don't like the above link
Then this one?

Yes, in that case Israel broke the ceasefire.

So Hamas said the rockets/missiles fired towards Israel a few hours before the ceasefire ended (and before Israel fired back, after the ceasefire ended) were 'a misfire' or mistake. Where have we heard that before.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/12/1/the-israel-hamas-truce-has-ended-what-we-know-so-far

@Toothyfruity

I’d feel the same

Agree, very well put