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Conflict in the Middle East

Mainly about Al Shifa [bombed front of hospital 3]

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Efacsen · 26/11/2023 18:18

Continuation from thread 3

The on-going dire situation at the hospital

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Scirocco · 02/04/2024 00:32

ScrollingLeaves · 02/04/2024 00:10

You are so right! Thank you, I had entirely missed that. I had not been quite sure what those women represented in relation to Pride.

A need to be enlightened and educated by the nice white man...

ScrollingLeaves · 02/04/2024 00:10

Scirocco · 01/04/2024 23:44

@ScrollingLeaves I particularly like how it's a white man 'educating' the women from minority groups in that picture.

You are so right! Thank you, I had entirely missed that. I had not been quite sure what those women represented in relation to Pride.

Scirocco · 01/04/2024 23:44

@ScrollingLeaves I particularly like how it's a white man 'educating' the women from minority groups in that picture.

ScrollingLeaves · 01/04/2024 23:18

My apologies, I posted this in the wrong place. I have reported it and it will get removed.

ScrollingLeaves · 01/04/2024 23:14

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cherryjamontoast · 01/04/2024 20:24

mids2019 · 01/04/2024 12:20

Isn't it better to believe the IDF than a health organisation can by a terrorist orgnasiation.

It is good to at least have a number because you wish to stop a narrative that the IDF are operating as death squads which is absolutely not the case. Maybe they had to get a number out quickly to justify the scale of the actiion?

No. It I'd really rather not believe the IDF and I will take anything they say with a pinch of salt. The ICJ has said that they are potentially commiting genocide. Day in day out I see footage of IDF soldiers shooting civilians holding white flags for sport, looting dead people's belongings and posting it on tiktok. Mocking and verbally abusing Palestinians as they are displaced from their homes. The starving children taking out of Al-Shifa today having not had water or food for 5 days. The IDF really are in no place to take the moral high ground ever again - if they ever were. One day this will be over, but the world won't forget.

Dulra · 01/04/2024 17:10

EasterIssland · 01/04/2024 15:31

13th pm from Israel.
https://twitter.com/naftalibennett/status/1774663364314091870
The results are remarkable:

  • 6,000 civilians were evacuated by the IDF to keep them safe.
  • 200 Hamas terrorists were killed.
  • 500 Hamas terrorists have been captured.
  • No civilian was killed. Not one.

other comments from Twitter
Tweet 1

Surgeons tied up and executed

Babies executed

Bodies apparently mutilated

tweet 2(this one has a video but I prefer not to share it as it was triggering warning)

Palestinian bodies still being recovered in the Al-Shafa Hospital yards clearly executed by israeli troops with their legs tied

tweet 3

400 bodies, some run over by tanks, some buried alive in body bags, burned buildings & executing children under 13s.

shall i trust them that they all were Hamas and nobody was a civilian?

Even the BBCs written reports put everything the Israeli government and IDF claim in inverted commas

Dulra · 01/04/2024 17:09

Scirocco · 01/04/2024 14:10

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68705765

Al-Shifa is in ruins.

It might seem like a small thing to some people, but some of us put a great deal of our hearts and efforts into that hospital and others. I thought I'd be prepared to see it by now. I'm not.

I am so sorry, the pain is endless for you 💐

EasterIssland · 01/04/2024 15:31

13th pm from Israel.
https://twitter.com/naftalibennett/status/1774663364314091870
The results are remarkable:

  • 6,000 civilians were evacuated by the IDF to keep them safe.
  • 200 Hamas terrorists were killed.
  • 500 Hamas terrorists have been captured.
  • No civilian was killed. Not one.

other comments from Twitter
Tweet 1

Surgeons tied up and executed

Babies executed

Bodies apparently mutilated

tweet 2(this one has a video but I prefer not to share it as it was triggering warning)

Palestinian bodies still being recovered in the Al-Shafa Hospital yards clearly executed by israeli troops with their legs tied

tweet 3

400 bodies, some run over by tanks, some buried alive in body bags, burned buildings & executing children under 13s.

shall i trust them that they all were Hamas and nobody was a civilian?

EasterIssland · 01/04/2024 14:52

mids2019 · 01/04/2024 12:46

it is difficult to get the truth in any war zone so maybe we will have to wait until international bodies can gain access to get the facts.

to my mind there were probably terrorists spread across the compound so the question is how best from a military point of view to deal with this! I would imagine calling on fighter bombers would minimise us into soldiers. I don't the OFF would risk shooting without discrimination so there must have been limitations to be acheived. Urban warfare has been historically diffcuky . I think he question is how you do it while minimising both risk to your own troops and minimising focus on casua lties.

Why do we have to wait for the international organisations to be allowed in to understand the truth. Why doesn’t Israel allow these organisations now in (or 6 months ago)

Scirocco · 01/04/2024 14:10

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68705765

Al-Shifa is in ruins.

It might seem like a small thing to some people, but some of us put a great deal of our hearts and efforts into that hospital and others. I thought I'd be prepared to see it by now. I'm not.

shifa

Gaza's al-Shifa hospital in ruins after two-week Israeli raid

Dozens of bodies are found and al-Shifa is "completely out of service", Hamas-run authorities say.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68705765

Efacsen · 01/04/2024 13:37

it is difficult to get the truth in any war zone so maybe we will have to wait until international bodies can gain access to get the facts.

I'm curious to know @mids2019 which 'international bodies' you forsee investigating this given Israel's hostility to the usual organisations doing this sort of thing

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mids2019 · 01/04/2024 12:46

it is difficult to get the truth in any war zone so maybe we will have to wait until international bodies can gain access to get the facts.

to my mind there were probably terrorists spread across the compound so the question is how best from a military point of view to deal with this! I would imagine calling on fighter bombers would minimise us into soldiers. I don't the OFF would risk shooting without discrimination so there must have been limitations to be acheived. Urban warfare has been historically diffcuky . I think he question is how you do it while minimising both risk to your own troops and minimising focus on casua lties.

Dulra · 01/04/2024 12:42

mids2019 · 01/04/2024 12:18

@Supra

Every time the Israeli military leave an area there will be room for Hamas to move back. In this case they cynically used a hospital for a base for attqck.

I agreed it would have been better to have troops stationed there but I guess there is a resource limit.

Exactly incompetence. From a military perspective if you're trying to push back and push out Hamas it makes no sense to leave key sites you have infiltrated vulnerable to reoccupation requiring you to have to track back and occupy all over again and rather than protect innocent ill and dying civilians you leave them vulnerable to having to evacuate a hospital again!

MCOut · 01/04/2024 12:30

The poster said, consistently. I’m sure they view the tens of thousands murdered and the whole population starving as making the world a better place too. Comments like that are just as gross as celebrating October 7th.

EasterIssland · 01/04/2024 12:27

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Mainly about Al Shifa [bombed front of hospital 3]
EasterIssland · 01/04/2024 12:23

mids2019 · 01/04/2024 12:20

Isn't it better to believe the IDF than a health organisation can by a terrorist orgnasiation.

It is good to at least have a number because you wish to stop a narrative that the IDF are operating as death squads which is absolutely not the case. Maybe they had to get a number out quickly to justify the scale of the actiion?

The issue is idf lies and kills innocent civilians so I won’t believe a single word they say. Also , the health organisation has been many times believed by international organisations when talking about killed numbers

EasterIssland · 01/04/2024 12:22

A journalist has posted about al shifa situation and how many deaths has idf left behind

https://twitter.com/HossamShabat/status/1774741588226273379

https://twitter.com/HossamShabat/status/1774741588226273379

mids2019 · 01/04/2024 12:20

Isn't it better to believe the IDF than a health organisation can by a terrorist orgnasiation.

It is good to at least have a number because you wish to stop a narrative that the IDF are operating as death squads which is absolutely not the case. Maybe they had to get a number out quickly to justify the scale of the actiion?

mids2019 · 01/04/2024 12:18

@Supra

Every time the Israeli military leave an area there will be room for Hamas to move back. In this case they cynically used a hospital for a base for attqck.

I agreed it would have been better to have troops stationed there but I guess there is a resource limit.

Dulra · 01/04/2024 11:28

200 combatants killed
According to the IDF whose to know....

Dulra · 01/04/2024 11:27

@mids2019
I care more for the civilian lives lost and the largest hospital in Gaza reduced to rubble especially considering the IDF occupied it back on November and failed to secure it smacks of incompetence to me