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Conflict in the Middle East

Mainly about Al Shifa [bombed front of hospital 3]

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Efacsen · 26/11/2023 18:18

Continuation from thread 3

The on-going dire situation at the hospital

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Parkingt111 · 29/11/2023 09:08

@Efacsen It certainly is not very clear
I'm going to try and see if I can put together better what is happening through different sources
I should think the PRCS would know as they said yesterday the fuel that was being held up and now allowed to the north as agreed was for their own ambulances

Efacsen · 29/11/2023 06:35

This was in yesterdays Guardian - does this seem/likely possible? - are there still 180 patients there? just slack journalism?

Or did they get a new generator and fuel?

So confusing

20h ago
10.54 GMT

The Gaza health ministry says the dialysis unit at al-Shifa hospital has been reopened and is receiving patients. In a brief statement on Tuesday, the ministry invited patients to resume treatment, Associated Press reports.

The World Health Organization says there are still 180 patients, including 22 on kidney dialysis, and seven health care workers at the hospital.

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Efacsen · 29/11/2023 06:22

@Ixxy1980 he was on Channel 4 news last night as well

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Efacsen · 29/11/2023 06:14

Parkingt111 · 28/11/2023 23:12

Omg this is horrific if it's true!
Does anyone know if its verified? Or more details? @Efacsen by any chance?

Sorry can't really help. Horrific No idea if it's 'real' or not. Quick search not anywhere mainstream incl Al Jazeera

When 'evacuating' hospitals means emptying them of patients, their relatives and staff without any plan as to where they'll go - it's possible this is real???

Details of what happened at the other hospitals [2/3 non-functioning now] when the spotlight was on Al Shifa aren't very clear at all - except perhaps the Indonesian hosp

When Ranissi childrens hosp was reported 'evacuated' 2 or 3 weeks ago there was an interview with one of the paeds nurses in the Guardian - very distressed man who said that patients had been put out onto the pavement and staff had been driven out at gun-point, he also said that patients who could not be moved were left behind incl babies in incubators. Was really surprised that it don't become more of a story at the time but there was so much else going on, so much chaos and so many news stories get dropped once the immediate drama is covered - maybe the patients were evacuated from the pavement, staff went back inside to the abandoned ones, who knows

Much more sceptical after being gulled by AJ over the al shifa patients abandoned in car park story - tho' there is more to that wh I'll post later

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Parkingt111 · 28/11/2023 23:32

@EasterIssland thank you
It's late so will check again tomorrow but it's too much to comprehend that the ill babies were left to die and the bodies left to decompose
My mind is struggling to process it

EasterIssland · 28/11/2023 23:17

Parkingt111 · 28/11/2023 23:12

Omg this is horrific if it's true!
Does anyone know if its verified? Or more details? @Efacsen by any chance?

https://twitter.com/MuathHamed/status/1729564207031415102

https://twitter.com/MuathHamed/status/1729564207031415102

Parkingt111 · 28/11/2023 23:12

Omg this is horrific if it's true!
Does anyone know if its verified? Or more details? @Efacsen by any chance?

AllWeWantToDo · 28/11/2023 21:58

EasterIssland · 28/11/2023 20:54

The Israeli military forced families to evacuate Al Nasr Hospital, leaving behind their premature babies in the intensive care unit. Israel refused to release the babies.

The decomposed bodies of those babies have been found during this truce.

https://twitter.com/Lowkey0nline/status/1729574366717923617

I really hope this isn't true 🥺

Ixxy1980 · 28/11/2023 21:08

Dr Ghassan, who was in Al Shifa hospital, met with Scotland Yard’s war crime unit today. Maybe something will come out of it but I’m not hopeful unfortunately!

Mainly about Al Shifa [bombed front of hospital 3]
Ixxy1980 · 28/11/2023 21:07

EasterIssland · 28/11/2023 20:54

The Israeli military forced families to evacuate Al Nasr Hospital, leaving behind their premature babies in the intensive care unit. Israel refused to release the babies.

The decomposed bodies of those babies have been found during this truce.

https://twitter.com/Lowkey0nline/status/1729574366717923617

Oh my god this is absolutely horrific! Those poor babies! How is this not being reported in the media!

EasterIssland · 28/11/2023 20:54

The Israeli military forced families to evacuate Al Nasr Hospital, leaving behind their premature babies in the intensive care unit. Israel refused to release the babies.

The decomposed bodies of those babies have been found during this truce.

https://twitter.com/Lowkey0nline/status/1729574366717923617

https://twitter.com/Lowkey0nline/status/1729574366717923617

Arafina · 28/11/2023 14:59

EasterIssland · 28/11/2023 12:14

Directors arrest has been extended by 45 days

I feel that this man can't win either way, if he knew Hamas were there in what reality would anyone expect him to dob them in to the IDF, surely he would fear for the consequences to his family if Hamas are as bad as they are portrayed, on the other hand the IDF have obviously decided he knew all about it and we all know how unreasonable they are, he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't, I'm genuinely concerned for his safety

EasterIssland · 28/11/2023 12:14

Directors arrest has been extended by 45 days

Mainly about Al Shifa [bombed front of hospital 3]
Efacsen · 28/11/2023 05:09

@Parkingt111 thank you for posting this positive news story - think UEA have already taken some injured children? but such a long way to go

The children's cancer ward from Ranissi hospital was evacuated to Turkey [at least it's a bit nearer] and there are plans to evacuate 1000 adult cancer patients too

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Parkingt111 · 27/11/2023 21:47

They have now arrived in Abu Dhabi
I think the ending of the article really sums up the sad reality for the civilians of Gaza right now.
When I read how some were only left with a small carrier bag of possessions and how much we have to be grateful for. Its less than what some of us would take with us on a day trip

It was noticeable what few possessions the passengers arrived with.
Many came away from Gaza carrying just small plastic bags. That is all they've been left with.
Many have seen relatives killed and lost their homes, their jobs, their future.
And many left behind whole families in the middle of the warzone. They left Gaza not knowing if they'll ever be back - and if they do return, just what exactly they'll return to.

Toothyfruity · 27/11/2023 16:13

I was also going completely dismiss that story for being too batshit to be true but apparently this was something Israeli doctors have admitted to in the past - this article from 2009 for example: Doctor admits Israeli pathologists harvested organs without consent | Israel | The Guardian

The story posted by @EasterIssland is being reported in a few mainstream outlets.

I saw on social media that there are rumours that the bodies were stolen to make some of the videos of what happened in Israel when Hamas attacked that are being shown only to journalists. I haven't seen that reported in any news outlet though so presumably it's not true. Also no one has published any of the footage so it can't be examined.

Do we know for sure that bodies were stolen?

Doctor admits Israeli pathologists harvested organs without consent

Interview in 2000 with former head of Abu Kabir forensic institute reveals pathologists engaged in practice during 1990s

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/dec/21/israeli-pathologists-harvested-organs

EasterIssland · 27/11/2023 15:55

Parkingt111 · 27/11/2023 15:24

@EasterIssland I echo what @Efacsen said
I don't know or have read anything about that and wouldn't speculate on such a grave claim that hasn't been confirmed or reported in MSM

The main reason why I’ve shared it is because it’s an independent organisation doing reporting it and not typical news closer to one or another side of the conflict.

Parkingt111 · 27/11/2023 15:29

I came on to share this positive news

An evacuation flight has been boarding cancer patients from Gaza, including a baby with a brain tumour.
"They all seem very traumatised and of course they represent a fraction of the people who desperately need help in Gaza," special correspondent Alex Crawford, who is on the flight, said.
The flight, organised by the United Arab Emirates, was initially intended to transport wounded children - but many were too injured to move.

It still leaves in question what will happen to the children it was intended for but still some good news.
Really glad the 8 old month baby with a tumour will now recieve the care they need

Parkingt111 · 27/11/2023 15:24

@EasterIssland I echo what @Efacsen said
I don't know or have read anything about that and wouldn't speculate on such a grave claim that hasn't been confirmed or reported in MSM

Efacsen · 27/11/2023 14:27

IDK @EasterIssland keeping organs chilled makes more sense but even so needs to be done soon after death -the bodies at al-shifa weren't fresh by any means they were causing a health hazard hence the mass grave

There was a unsubstantiated 'rumour' that bodies had been removed from the grave at al-shifa in the search for deceased hostages - no idea if that is true or not

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Ohlalalalala · 27/11/2023 14:20

Diseases are spreading among Gaza evacuees. This is a very serious situation of medical catastrophe.

Mainly about Al Shifa [bombed front of hospital 3]
EasterIssland · 27/11/2023 14:17

Efacsen · 27/11/2023 14:09

Really dubious about that 'theory' TBH @EasterIssland

Organs for transplant are whisked to the recipient at speed packed in ice

Not left to decay in mass graves in a hot climate for 2 or 3 days

'Harvesting' organs from recently executed prisoners or even living ones is another matter

Might be dubious hence why I checked the source before posting it

refarding Euromed

Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Monitor(commonly known as Euro-Med Monitor and sometimes as Euro-Med HRM[1][2]) is an independent, nonprofit organization for the protection of human rights

more in the news about some of the things you mention

According to an earlier report by Euro-Med Monitor, Israeli authorities has kept the dead bodies of Palestinians in subfreezing temperatures—sometimes below 40 degrees Celsius—in order to ensure that they remain undisturbed and to possibly hide the theft of organs.

Israel is thought to be the biggest hub for the illegal global trade in human organs, according to a 2008 investigation by the American CNN network, which also revealed that Israel participated in the theft of organs from dead Palestinians for illegal use.

Efacsen · 27/11/2023 14:09

Really dubious about that 'theory' TBH @EasterIssland

Organs for transplant are whisked to the recipient at speed packed in ice

Not left to decay in mass graves in a hot climate for 2 or 3 days

'Harvesting' organs from recently executed prisoners or even living ones is another matter

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