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Conflict in the Middle East

Mainly about Al Shifa [bombed front of hospital 3]

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Efacsen · 26/11/2023 18:18

Continuation from thread 3

The on-going dire situation at the hospital

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Parkingt111 · 07/12/2023 09:19

I found this on sky news today
It's the UAE field hospital that has been set up in Rafah
Doesn't mention at what capacity it is functioning though. Il see if I can find more on that

Mainly about Al Shifa [bombed front of hospital 3]
Efacsen · 07/12/2023 08:33

Here it is - feedback from US on whether IDF is keeping civilians safe - don't think this bodes well for US not using it's veto at UNSC wrt UAE motion for humanitarian ceasefire

Blinken believes Israel taking steps to protect civilians in South

In the last week, we've seen more US leaders begin to voice disquiet with Israel's tactics.

The US Secretary of State in an interview with CNN yesterday said he believed Israel was taking more steps to protect civilians in their offensive into southern Gaza.

“I said to them very clearly when I was there just a week ago, we cannot have a repeat of what happened in the north in the south in terms of harm being done to civilians,” Antony Blinken told CNN.

“What we’re seeing is areas clearly designated by Israel that are safe areas, where there’s not going to be firing or the military. We’ve seen efforts to make sure that people know that they need to move – and not in the entire city, but just discrete neighborhoods. So that’s positive,” Blinken said.

However UN officials have consistently disputed these safe zones, saying the idea of any "safe zone" is a "dangerous false narrative".

"These are tiny patches of barren land. They have no water, no facilities, no shelter from the cold, no sanitation," a Unicef spokesman James Elder told the BBC earlier this week. Other UN officials and locals have also made similar alarming calls.
The UN has also said there is nowhere left for people in the South to evacuate to.

Israel-Gaza latest news: UN chief says war causing catastrophe Gaza may never recover from - BBC News

Antonio Guterres urges Security Council members to help avert a disaster, as "nowhere is safe" for civilians.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67633071?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=65701e6e87855b2dac7d362a%26Nowhere%20to%20go%20for%20600%2C000%20people%20under%20evacuation%20orders%20-%20UN%262023-12-06T07%3A26%3A49.112Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:71ee4227-7f26-40fe-a1c9-6e6a8812d3a5&pinned_post_asset_id=65701e6e87855b2dac7d362a&pinned_post_type=share

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Efacsen · 07/12/2023 08:20

Not much in the way of specific hospital news - all still overwhelmed and under-resourced

One hospital was evacuated by the UN yesterday - not named as far as can see

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Efacsen · 07/12/2023 07:42

A little unequivocally good news

Several places have photos of the premature babies from al-Shifa who were evacuated to Egypt. at the New Administrative Capital Hospital NICU in Cairo

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Jupitersstorm · 06/12/2023 23:46

Silence1 · 06/12/2023 19:30

With regards the Jordanian Field hospital, 7 medics were injured by what the Jordanian Army says was an Israeli strike in Nov. It was condemned by France, Japan etc The US expressed deep concern.
Jordan wants to set up another hospital. 800 doctors volunteered: "However, their entry to the besieged strip has not yet been facilitated due to hindrances by the Israeli side, she said. Fakhoury explained that entering Gaza has always been difficult even before the war due to the Israeli restrictions. “We are doing what we can to help the people in Gaza, but it is not enough. Our hands are tied and our hearts burn for the tragedies we see unfolding there."

Honestly Israel is a danger to all of us. Destabilizing the region and increasing tensions across the world.

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You mean the terrorist organisation in Gaza is danger to all of us. Destabilizing the region and increasing tensions across the world.

Silence1 · 06/12/2023 19:30

With regards the Jordanian Field hospital, 7 medics were injured by what the Jordanian Army says was an Israeli strike in Nov. It was condemned by France, Japan etc The US expressed deep concern.
Jordan wants to set up another hospital. 800 doctors volunteered: "However, their entry to the besieged strip has not yet been facilitated due to hindrances by the Israeli side, she said. Fakhoury explained that entering Gaza has always been difficult even before the war due to the Israeli restrictions. “We are doing what we can to help the people in Gaza, but it is not enough. Our hands are tied and our hearts burn for the tragedies we see unfolding there."

Honestly Israel is a danger to all of us. Destabilizing the region and increasing tensions across the world.

Efacsen · 06/12/2023 18:50

stormy4319trevor · 06/12/2023 18:46

@Efacsen Oh don't worry unless you want to. I think the news will probably explain more later. Thank you, though!

Yeah hoping there's a team of journalists on the case

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stormy4319trevor · 06/12/2023 18:46

@Efacsen Oh don't worry unless you want to. I think the news will probably explain more later. Thank you, though!

Efacsen · 06/12/2023 18:44

stormy4319trevor · 06/12/2023 18:41

He must be really concerned. Did it have much effect when used before, do you know?

It was a very long article in olde worlde typeface - skimming it didn't really answer that question - I'll have another go later

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stormy4319trevor · 06/12/2023 18:41

Efacsen · 06/12/2023 18:23

@Parkingt111 from what I can see it's only been used twice - in 1959 [Congo] Belgian army arriving un-invited in the Congo and in 1966 [Tunisia] when French airforce was invading Tunisian airspace so it's a pretty uncommon step

Particularly when you consider all the dreadful things that have happened in the world in the last 50 something years and it wasn't used

He must be really concerned. Did it have much effect when used before, do you know?

Efacsen · 06/12/2023 18:23

@Parkingt111 from what I can see it's only been used twice - in 1959 [Congo] Belgian army arriving un-invited in the Congo and in 1966 [Tunisia] when French airforce was invading Tunisian airspace so it's a pretty uncommon step

Particularly when you consider all the dreadful things that have happened in the world in the last 50 something years and it wasn't used

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Parkingt111 · 06/12/2023 18:09

I have just had a quick look and it does seem to be quite a significant move
It shows how dire the situation is
I think alot depends how the US responds to it
But regardless it will put further pressure

Efacsen · 06/12/2023 17:57

@Parkingt111 that's a good idea - and yes feel quite despairing about how everything is unravelling

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Thereissomelight · 06/12/2023 17:51

It sounds like such an obvious letter to write. Stop killing thousands of children.

But wait for the twisting of words and semantics and “what is your evidence that there is humanitarian crisis” and “you’re anti semitic if you oppose Israel’s right to defend itself”

Parkingt111 · 06/12/2023 17:49

@Efacsen thank you for sharing that
I had never heard of article 99 before
I'm going to look it up now

Do you think anything will come out of this? I have been checking the updates on MSM and its getting worse and worse
I can't see how much longer it can go on for before we start seeing mass deaths at a much larger scale than we are now
Not only due to bombing, but lack of life saving aid and spread of disease

Efacsen · 06/12/2023 17:34

Here's a bit more about what was in Guterres letter - don't disagree with him but what's the likely effect of Article 99, I wonder

Guterres warns Security Council of impending, irreversible collapse in Gaza

In his letter invoking Article 99, Guterres warned he expects public order in Gaza to soon break down as the humanitarian system totally collapses.

“The situation is fast deteriorating into a catastrophe with potentially irreversible implications for Palestinians as a whole and for peace and security in the region,” he wrote.

“Such an outcome must be avoided at all cost.”

The international community has “a responsibility to use all its influence to prevent further escalation and end this crisis”, said Guterres.

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Efacsen · 06/12/2023 17:30

I'm not sure of the significance of this move by the UN

UN chief invokes article 99 on Gaza in rare, powerful move

Secretary-General Antonio Guterres has invoked what is widely considered to be the most powerful diplomatic tool at his disposal.

In a letter to the UN Security Council, Guterres invoked Article 99 of the UN Charter, which states that “the Secretary-General may bring to the attention of the Security Council any matter which in his opinion may threaten the maintenance of international peace and security”.

The letter represents the first time Guterres has invoked the article since he took over the role of UN secretary-general on January 1, 2017.

In the letter, Guterres calls for the Security Council to press to avert a humanitarian catastrophe and appeals for a humanitarian ceasefire to be declared in Gaza.

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Efacsen · 06/12/2023 14:49

I know what you mean @Toothyfruity it'll be too little too late if it's anything at all

With a million people on their way or already arrived in Rafah and no food, water or tents for them when they get there it's spiralling into irreversible chaos

UN's ability to deliver aid suddenly seems to have collapsed since the ceasefire ended Trucks stranded in areas they can't be retrieved from, zero comms and workers not able to get to the rafah crossing due to the bombardment

Catastrophe is indeed the right word

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Toothyfruity · 06/12/2023 12:22

I mean it's not going to make a difference is it. Netanyahu made it clear in his statement last night (I presume - it was on the news this morning) that he isn't going to bow to pressure from other countries. The US will just make more weak statements about civilians and that'll be that.

I see Samantha Power posting on social media about allowing more aid in. The Democrats make me sick. We're assisting in the bombing of civilians but I'm such a nice lady I'm going to try to get a little trickle of aid for you kids. Piss off Samantha. She's acting like it's logistics that are stopping the trucks getting in. What a charlatan.

Efacsen · 06/12/2023 12:01

@Parkingt111 I saw that too and agree with what you say about how things have detiorated so much

The end of tomorrow will mark a full week so time enough to make an assessment you'd think

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Parkingt111 · 06/12/2023 11:26

@efacsen I do hope so
I read yesterday that when one of the US politicians were asked if Israel was heeding their calls to minimise casualties, he said it was too early to tell
And I just thought we'll that's a sneaky way to get out of it rather than saying no considering how many strikes and deaths have occurred in the last 48 hours
By the time they acknowledge it again alot of damage will already be done

Efacsen · 06/12/2023 11:21

@Parkingt111 tbh I was surprised by the opinion polls considering the war is reported quite differently in the US - Bidens own democrat voters are more than 70% in favour of a ceasefire - so potentially not just losing the presidency but significant losses to the party too, in addition to the Arab-American vote being long gone

Can only hope that a bit more self-preservation kicks in - soon

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Parkingt111 · 06/12/2023 11:09

@Efacsen the pressure from within is increasing from Biden aswell as global pressure. I think at some point Biden will have to choose between his seat or continuing to support Israels military actions in Gaza

MandyCandy · 06/12/2023 11:08

This is all so sad and heartbreaking. Thank you for raising awareness.