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Conflict in the Middle East

Mainly about Al Shifa [bombed front of hospital 3]

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Efacsen · 26/11/2023 18:18

Continuation from thread 3

The on-going dire situation at the hospital

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Parkingt111 · 14/12/2023 08:32

From sky

Several sick babies are having to be crammed into one bed at an overwhelmed hospital in southern Gaza as the Israeli bombing campaign continues.
Dr Ahmed al Farra, head of paediatrics at Nasser hospital in Khan Younis, said "a number of patients" are being rushed into the hospital with "extreme dehydration, some of which can get to the point of kidney failure or weakening kidney function".
He said there have already been up to 30 cases of hepatitis A, which has a long incubation period.
"After a month there will be an explosion in the number of cases of hepatitis A, and this is a very dangerous indicator that should be paid attention to, from overcrowding and consuming food not fit for human consumption and using shared toilets," said Dr al Farra.

Parkingt111 · 14/12/2023 08:32

Hepatitis A is on the rise and this is very very concerning
Babies are being crammed onto single beds because there is no space in An nasser hospital

AllWeWantToDo · 13/12/2023 21:59

Oh look, the daily mail report that the idf say that these people walking around are hamas and there's hamas beating a guy up let's take it as truth

Bet that's the first time Xenia has posted a link to the daily mail

MandyCandy · 13/12/2023 21:09

It's not an Israel-Hamas war, it is an Israel and Palestinian civilian war.

They executed civilians.

MandyCandy · 13/12/2023 21:03

It is absolutely disgusting for anyone to try to take the blame away from Israel at this point. Almost all the world leaders agree. This is so wrong! We need to boycot and protest. When will this end :(

barkingmel · 13/12/2023 19:09

Wonder why the vast majority of links provided by those supporting Israel's genocidal campaign in Gaza are links to Daily Mail articles.

Thereissomelight · 13/12/2023 18:38

But the IDF has killed nearly 7000 children in 2 months. Why would Hamas think that carrying a child would protect them?

Molymoly · 13/12/2023 17:15

@Xenia I stopped reading when I read this "When we recognise children following terrorists we stop attacking,' said the unit's deputy commander who can only be identified as Major R.
'They learnt from this. Now they're going down the street with a child in their hand."

As if they care about Palestinian children.

Silence1 · 13/12/2023 16:21

Difficult read on the situation in Gaza from Reuters today . The last comment is from a British Dr

" In Rafah, in Gaza's south where hundreds of thousands of people have sought shelter, the bodies of a family killed in an overnight air strike were being laid out in the rain in bloodied white shrouds, including several small children. One, the size of a newborn, was wrapped in a pink blanket."

"The scars of Israel's ground assault could also be seen in a cemetery in the Al-Faluja neighbourhood of Jabalia, northern Gaza, where passing tanks had churned up the ground, breaking and scattering gravestones and disinterring some corpses."

"Doctors including myself are stepping over the bodies of children to treat children who will die," Dr Chris Hook, a British physician deployed with medical charity MSF at Nasser hospital in Khan Younis, told Reuters.
Israel suffers worst combat losses since October, diplomatic isolation | Reuters

Israeli soldiers prepare to enter the Gaza Strip, amid the ongoing conflict between Israel and the Palestinian Islamist group Hamas, at Israel's border with Gaza in southern Israel, December 13, 2023. REUTERS/Ronen Zvulun

Israel suffers worst combat losses since October, diplomatic isolation

Israel announced its worst combat losses for more than a month on Wednesday after an ambush in the ruins of Gaza City, and faced growing diplomatic isolation as civilian deaths mounted and a humanitarian catastrophe worsened.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-demands-ceasefire-gaza-israel-us-show-increasing-divisions-2023-12-13/

Toothyfruity · 13/12/2023 15:18

Molymoly · 13/12/2023 15:12

@Toothyfruity just found a CNN report from today: According to Dr. Abu-Safia, he and just five other doctors were allowed to stay at Kamal Adwan Hospital to attend to patients in intensive care unit and premature babies.
But the care that the hospital’s remaining staff can offer patients too weak to be moved has been minimal, he said, “due to acute shortages of fuel, water, food, and medical supplies even before the siege.” Today the hospital has no water or power, he added, noting that doctors are “working with primitive flashlights to follow up on the patients left in the hospital.

Thanks for the information. Sounds positively medieval.

Molymoly · 13/12/2023 15:12

@Toothyfruity just found a CNN report from today: According to Dr. Abu-Safia, he and just five other doctors were allowed to stay at Kamal Adwan Hospital to attend to patients in intensive care unit and premature babies.
But the care that the hospital’s remaining staff can offer patients too weak to be moved has been minimal, he said, “due to acute shortages of fuel, water, food, and medical supplies even before the siege.” Today the hospital has no water or power, he added, noting that doctors are “working with primitive flashlights to follow up on the patients left in the hospital.

Toothyfruity · 13/12/2023 14:47

Molymoly · 13/12/2023 14:34

There's a report on Al Jazeera from yesterday that the IDF were rounding up men and boys from the age of 15 including medical staff from the Kamal Adwan Hospital. There are 65 patients in intensive care, including 12 children and 6 newborn babies in incubators. I feel lost for words as to what will happen to them.

WTF does the IDF have against premature babies. This is the third time they appear to be committing war crimes against them. It's absolutely deranged.

Molymoly · 13/12/2023 14:34

There's a report on Al Jazeera from yesterday that the IDF were rounding up men and boys from the age of 15 including medical staff from the Kamal Adwan Hospital. There are 65 patients in intensive care, including 12 children and 6 newborn babies in incubators. I feel lost for words as to what will happen to them.

Efacsen · 13/12/2023 13:52

So much really awful stuff has been normalised but agree the account of the paramedics treatment still stands out as extreme and apparently uneccessarily brutal

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Parkingt111 · 13/12/2023 13:28

It's sickening to read
The WHO have been endlessly highlighting these atrocities but it seems as everything right now is just so terrible not much is being picked up or given much focus on.

It's like a never ending nightmare that keeps getting worse

Parkingt111 · 13/12/2023 13:26

This was on Sky about the ambulance convoy that was stopped recently by the IDF

A patient has died after a medical evacuation convoy was held up by Israeli troops, according to World Health Organisation chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus.
A Palestinian Red Crescent staff member also told the WHO he was separated from the convoy, stripped, beaten and harassed before being sent out hours later on foot without clothes or shoes, and his hands still tied behind his back.
"His story is harrowing, and the humiliation and inhumane treatment he was subject to is rather shocking," said Richard Peeperkorn, WHO representative in Gaza, who was on the convoy.

Parkingt111 · 13/12/2023 13:21

@Efacsen yes the Qatari sponsored Hammad complex that was bombed the moment the negotiations stopped. That seemed like a snub to me

I'm seeing some horrific reports coming out right now about a massacre in a UN school of civilians. Waiting for more information or if MSM reports on it

Efacsen · 13/12/2023 13:14

@Parkingt111 I think it's entirely understandable too but don't know how keen Israel [or the US[ will be to have Arab states involved in the way they want to be

When I was typing my post I was reminded of the lovely Hammad Residential complex that was destroyed in a fit of pique - it's the disrespect as well maybe rather than the money per se

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Parkingt111 · 13/12/2023 13:05

@Efacsen I do understand why they would be possibly taking that stance this time
The cycle has to break and this can't continue. I think it's also maybe after what Biden said yesterday that Netanyahu was not committed to a two state solution that they would want to affirm their stance

Efacsen · 13/12/2023 11:54

Parkingt111 · 13/12/2023 11:45

The UN have re-iterated once again on the collapse of Gaza's healthcare infrastructure. Maybe I am being too optimistic by talking about the day after but does anyone know If any plans are being discussed on how they will be re-built?

Some of the hospitals have suffered extensive damage and with the amount of people that are injured (approx 46 thousand) even if they were working at full capacity they would not be able to cope

I think that there has been an expectation that the 'immense wealth' of the Gulf States would re-build Gaza again as they have done previously after destructive wars with Israel

However, this time they are saying this cycle has to stop, we want to be part of the post-war negotiations and have said they won't re-build without a 2 state solution

Messy

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Parkingt111 · 13/12/2023 11:45

The 46 thousand is for those with physical injuries
It Is not taking into account the hundreds of thousands more who are suffering from illnesses

Parkingt111 · 13/12/2023 11:45

The UN have re-iterated once again on the collapse of Gaza's healthcare infrastructure. Maybe I am being too optimistic by talking about the day after but does anyone know If any plans are being discussed on how they will be re-built?

Some of the hospitals have suffered extensive damage and with the amount of people that are injured (approx 46 thousand) even if they were working at full capacity they would not be able to cope

Toothyfruity · 13/12/2023 11:09

@Silence1 that article is unbelievable. I can't believe that this is real life.

The video that overwhelmed and upset me yesterday was a little girl who had cuts and burns all over her body and one of her feet was missing. So you either burn a little girl with white phosphorous or you bomb her in her bed and she gets crush injuries or shrapnel injuries. And then what?

You stop her getting any medical care because you've already bombed the hospital and forced the medical staff to leave? You leave her wounds as they are, to get infected and kill her? Or you ignore the situation while her limb is amputated without anaesthetic in dirty overcrowded conditions.

Like can some of the people who defend Israel explain to me why this is acceptable? I cannot get my head around the cruelty of it. It's absolutely savage. The people causing this are savages.