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Mainly about Al Shifa [bombed front of hospital 3]

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Efacsen · 26/11/2023 18:18

Continuation from thread 3

The on-going dire situation at the hospital

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MandyCandy · 20/12/2023 21:39

Tbh we have gotten so far past the point of even arguing that now. It's clear the IDF is ethnic cleansing and destroying infrastructure.

MandyCandy · 20/12/2023 21:38

floodlightonwhatisright · 20/12/2023 16:28

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12881855/Hamas-fighters-use-hospitals-terror-bases-director-admits.html

This comments was made under interrogation and no other proof has been provided. It is widely documented that the IDF threaten those they interrogate.

We have seen so far that Hamas has not used these hospitals as bases such that international law to be broken.

Hamas fighters need to be firing at the IDF from hospitals. That isn't happening.

Toothyfruity · 20/12/2023 21:37

Jarnsaxa · 20/12/2023 21:01

This is where the 'evidence' that hospitals were being used as military bases by Hamas.

No legal representation, no actual evidence presented. Just an obviously frightened man saying things that may or may not be true and may or not be his own words.

How can anyone watch this and say it's legit? We don't know what they've threatened him with or whether he's been tortured. It's about as valid as a witch trial

Absolutely. Surely people aren't so stupid as to accept this as evidence in this day and age. Ridiculous.

Jarnsaxa · 20/12/2023 21:01

This is where the 'evidence' that hospitals were being used as military bases by Hamas.

No legal representation, no actual evidence presented. Just an obviously frightened man saying things that may or may not be true and may or not be his own words.

How can anyone watch this and say it's legit? We don't know what they've threatened him with or whether he's been tortured. It's about as valid as a witch trial

Gaza hospital chief admits to being Hamas commander, using clinic as military base

The head of a Gaza hospital has admitted to being a senior Hamas commander — and detailed how the terror group transformed the medical site into an operation...

https://youtu.be/iJSc15uTBvY?si=tJsQa-dDE5VlVYPi

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Efacsen · 20/12/2023 20:48

The 127 paramedics, injured and displaced people at the PRCS ambulance depot in Jabaliya are still being besieged by IDF tanks and snipers

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Thereissomelight · 20/12/2023 16:31

floodlightonwhatisright · 20/12/2023 16:28

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12881855/Hamas-fighters-use-hospitals-terror-bases-director-admits.html

@floodlightonwhatisright
Still doesn’t give anyone the right to kill children and sick people and doctors and nurses, mate.

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Efacsen · 20/12/2023 13:17

Kuwaiti hospital not big enough to handle large number of injuries

More ambulances and paramedics are coming back from the site of the attack with more injured people.

The problem with this hospital is that its of a small size, and will not be able to take this large number of injuries.

It’s mainly for basic medical intervention procedures, and eventually the injured will have to be transferred from here to other hospitals. - like where???

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Parkingt111 · 20/12/2023 12:24

There are air strikes happening right now in the vicinity of the Kuwaiti hospital in Rafah

Parkingt111 · 20/12/2023 12:19

I have been seeing the aftermath of the strikes in Jabaliya and it is beyond words.
Just body parts everywhere
I don't know how the hospitals are coping at all
Even the staff must be so traumatised by what they have seen, I don't know how they continue

Parkingt111 · 20/12/2023 12:18

I have just seen the same. The latest development is extremely concerning

The Palestinian Red Crescent (PRCS) says its ambulance depot in Jabalia, northern Gaza, has been surrounded and besieged by Israeli forces.
It said the depot had been besieged from all directions and there are 127 people inside the centre including workers, displaced persons and injured people.

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Efacsen · 20/12/2023 11:46

This is a new and grim departure in the destruction of healthcare in gaza Sad

The PRCS ambulance centre in Jabalia is besieged and surrounded by tanks

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Efacsen · 20/12/2023 11:41

@Parkingt111 the whereabouts and welfare of the medical director and 4 other members of staff from Al Shifa are unknown - can't remember if WHO or UN who tweeted their concerns yesterday. So many medical staff in same dreadful position

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Efacsen · 20/12/2023 11:36

@stormy4319trevor Now there are no functioning hospitals in northern gaza the wounded appear to be being taken to health centres which i understand to be primary care clinics - it's maybe a bit more than first aid [depending on staffing/medical supplies] but totally inadequate

''Forty-six killed and 110 injured people have been brought to Jabalia Medical Center since morning in northern Gaza, the director-general of the Ministry of Health in Gaza said in a post on X.

Dozens were still trapped under the rubble, Munir al-Bursh added''.

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stormy4319trevor · 19/12/2023 12:36

No functioning hospitals is going to really accelerate the already dire situation.

Parkingt111 · 19/12/2023 10:47

Efacsen · 19/12/2023 08:44

Update on Al Awda

  • Israeli forces have turned the hospital into a military barrack.
  • They have detained 240 people, including 80 medical staff, 40 patients, and 120 displaced persons inside the hospital.
  • Israeli forces have arrested six hospital staff, including the director of the facility Ahmed Muhanna.

This was really upsetting go hear. There are so many abandoned buildings and they choose the hospital to use as army barracks. Its another example of cruelty that really does add salt to the wounds.
Plus nobody ever knows what happens to the medical staff who get detained.
Like the director of Al Shifa hospital. Does anyone know if he is even alive?

Parkingt111 · 19/12/2023 10:45

How will they treat the wounded without water and electricity??

Parkingt111 · 19/12/2023 10:44

I have just seen this update on sky

A short while ago, we mentioned the Nasser Hospital in southern Gaza has been shelled twice in 48 hours.
At another facility, al Ahli Hospital in Gaza City, Israeli forces carried out a raid overnight.
It left just two doctors, four nurses and two janitors to tend to over 100 seriously wounded patients, according to a pastor at the cathedral that runs the hospital.
The hospital was also left with no running water of electricity.

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Efacsen · 19/12/2023 08:44

Update on Al Awda

  • Israeli forces have turned the hospital into a military barrack.
  • They have detained 240 people, including 80 medical staff, 40 patients, and 120 displaced persons inside the hospital.
  • Israeli forces have arrested six hospital staff, including the director of the facility Ahmed Muhanna.
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Efacsen · 19/12/2023 08:11

Efacsen · 19/12/2023 07:46

Just for completion here as this series of threads was originally about Al Alhi hospital - not felled by a mis-fired JIP rocket weeks ago but besieged and stormed - and now out of action leaving northern gaza without any functioning hospitals

Israeli forces have forced displaced Palestinian civilians sheltering at al-Ahli hospital in Gaza City to evacuate the facility and arrested medical staff, according to reports. Richard Sewell, the dean of the Anglican-run St George’s College in Jerusalem, said most of the hospital’s staff have been detained, while medical sources told Al Jazeera that the hospital is now out of service.

Actually I'm wrong - the first thread on 3rd Nov was about Al Shalha hospital being attacked

Sorry

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Efacsen · 19/12/2023 07:46

Just for completion here as this series of threads was originally about Al Alhi hospital - not felled by a mis-fired JIP rocket weeks ago but besieged and stormed - and now out of action leaving northern gaza without any functioning hospitals

Israeli forces have forced displaced Palestinian civilians sheltering at al-Ahli hospital in Gaza City to evacuate the facility and arrested medical staff, according to reports. Richard Sewell, the dean of the Anglican-run St George’s College in Jerusalem, said most of the hospital’s staff have been detained, while medical sources told Al Jazeera that the hospital is now out of service.

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Parkingt111 · 18/12/2023 11:18

@Efacsen I don't think we are going to see the situation getting any better now unless there is a ceasefire. I knew Israel would respond to the Hamas attacks with full force but the attacks on healthcare has truly shocked me.

From hospital buildings, to the compounds, to health care workers, to patients, to ambulances, to maternity units, nothing has been left untouched

Thereissomelight · 18/12/2023 10:40

feralunderclass · 18/12/2023 09:22

God rest that poor girl 💔

Elon Levy was on R4 this morning saying that Hamas are making the IDF kill so many so that the world will sympathize with them. You really couldn't make this up.

This is an utterly pathetic argument that I keep hearing (on Mumsnet too).

It’s like an abuser saying to his victim
that it’s her neighbours’ fault he is starving her and her children and beating them to death. He can’t get to the neighbour so he’ll get her instead.

feralunderclass · 18/12/2023 09:22

God rest that poor girl 💔

Elon Levy was on R4 this morning saying that Hamas are making the IDF kill so many so that the world will sympathize with them. You really couldn't make this up.

braticus · 18/12/2023 09:16

Efacsen · 18/12/2023 07:29

@braticus Think it was the maternity unit which also contained a childrens ward that was struck at Nasser hospital last night - no hospital is safe from these attacks despite what anyone says

The patient who died was a 13 yr old girl who had already lost a leg, both her parents and many family members in a previous airstrike 'at home' - how's that for being careful and protecting civilian lives to be bombed twice

Jesus Christ. There are just no words.

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