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Conflict in the Middle East

Mainly about Al Shifa [bombed front of hospital 3]

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Efacsen · 26/11/2023 18:18

Continuation from thread 3

The on-going dire situation at the hospital

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Thereissomelight · 28/12/2023 16:02

Guess who’ll win all the medals, votes and places in the history (of psychopathy) books though.

Parkingt111 · 28/12/2023 16:00

The medics, nurses and all those in healthcare right now are the unsung heroes in this war. I have no idea how they continue after what they witness each day.
It's hard for us to even look at, yet for them it's a reality

Parkingt111 · 28/12/2023 15:58

Amen to that. There has been more airstrikes near the Al Amal hospital
Many more killed and injured

This video shows some of the injured but I'm posting it to highlight the conditions the PRCS are working in
They are in the midst of hell, risking their lives to help the innocent

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C1Zq5F7KiOv/?igsh=cHRrdWt4NzZmajcw

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Thereissomelight · 28/12/2023 12:06

Humble salutations to all those medics and nurses.

Parkingt111 · 28/12/2023 12:04

@Efacsen thanks for the update
I have been following doctor Ghassan on socials where he posts updates from his colleagues who are still in Gaza and its still as dreadful as ever
Especially since the last few days when bombardment in central Gaza and dense populated areas has seen a sharp brutal increase

Efacsen · 28/12/2023 11:23

Seems like UN/WHO are visiting Al Shifa and Al Ahili every 2-3 days bringing what resources they can and evacuating a small number of patients who are in need of surgery as no operating at either due to lack of staff

Being a non-functioning hospital doesn't stop the injured arriving

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Efacsen · 28/12/2023 11:15

Nasser hospital still under siege with many thousands of displaced people, patients and staff

Problems at Al Amal seem to be more related to IDF attack on a nearby building not the hospital itself but effecting access and spilling over into the hospital

@Parkingt111 Was also shocked to hear Jordanian field hospital under threat tho nowhere in Khan Younis is safe from bombardment/shelling atm

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Parkingt111 · 27/12/2023 13:05

I saw last night that Nasser medical complex was asking for protection as the strikes were very close by and they feared a repeat of Al Shifa hospital

If the Jordanian field hospital is targeted there may be some serious consequences

Efacsen · 27/12/2023 12:42

Hospitals currently at risk from Israeli airstrikes El Amal, Nasser and Jordanian field hospital - airstrikes also generating many new casualties

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Motorina · 26/12/2023 21:54

War is known to be a significant driver of antibiotic resistance (which ultimately will impact on countries unconnected with the conflict, including our own).

Parkingt111 · 26/12/2023 21:48

Update from PRCS

Mainly about Al Shifa [bombed front of hospital 3]
stormy4319trevor · 26/12/2023 14:32

@Parkingt111 Yes, that's very true.

Parkingt111 · 26/12/2023 14:30

I did see awhile ago that in some areas at one point due to a lack of fuel to run the relevant infrastructure, there was sewage flowing through civilian living areas which could have contributed towards this.

If the Israeli hospitals that are sterilised and have all the facilities, are having a difficult time treating this infection, then the Palestinians with lack of medical aid and hospitals that cannot be sanitised due to lack of space and sheer amount of injuries, stand very little chance in combating it.

stormy4319trevor · 26/12/2023 14:26

Thanks @Parkingt111 There's been rain as well, which will have spread stuff around more I suppose, with the ground being wet. Israeli hospitals seem to have identified it as fungus colonising wounds, which might be even more difficult to treat than bacterial infection. Spores could be in buildings, on surfaces as well as in mud and soil? I know nothing about pathogens, but it certainly sounds concerning.

Parkingt111 · 26/12/2023 14:17

I just found it
It's called diseases could kill more people than bombs

@kindatired wrote this very good explanation. I have tagged to double check its OK to repost on here

I see on Sky news the drug resistant wound infections have stared to appear. What seems to have happened is that there has been inadequate sanitation and the ground is contaminated with human poo . There was already an antibiotic resistance problem in Gaza. During the bombardment, many people have had open wounds and these got infected. They needed antibiotics and likely most have not finished the course as the supplies of drugs and consumables have run out, not to mention evacuation, lack of hand washing facilities overcrowding and re-admissions due a second injury. I’ve seen pictures of several people sharing a bed or trolley and injured children lying on floor the floor or their relatives camping on the floor.
Floors would be covered with the now antibiotic resistant poo bacteria…
So now the IDF are coming back home with infected war wounds that were contaminated with poo from the people whose toilets and hospitals they just blew up. Some of them can’t be treated with the normal antibiotics and require surgery instead of just injectable treatments. It’s very worrying for anyone with an injury regardless of which side of the conflict they are on and likely those trapped in Gaza are affected to a much greater extent than those diagnosed in fully functioning Israeli hospitals.

Efacsen · 26/12/2023 14:04

@Parkingt111 and @stormy4319trevor there's another poster on another thread* been posting about this for a while - unless there were a lot of multi-antibiotic resistant strains of bacteria in gaza pre this war [there might have been] it doesn't make a lot of sense as there is a severe shortage of antibiotics. Same for resistant fungi

*it used to be in my watched threads but no longer there

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stormy4319trevor · 26/12/2023 14:03

@Parkingt111 Sounds likely. I think environmental fungi are probably everywhere, but probably hard to keep wounds clean and sterile there. It seems like only a few affected so far, but definitely something to keep an eye on as it's treatment resistant and could be devastating for all the injured there.

Parkingt111 · 26/12/2023 13:57

@stormy4319trevor I saw elsewhere that it's through contamination of sewage water mixed with soil but that's not from a verified source

stormy4319trevor · 26/12/2023 13:33

@Parkingt111 That's interesting. I don't know if this is a new pathogen, generated by unsanitary conditions, or something longstanding that Gazans might have some resistance to. Seems likely everyone there could be affected. I'll keep an eye out for any other news on it.

Parkingt111 · 26/12/2023 13:26

I have just seen this on sky news and wondering whether this is something that must be affecting the Gazans too and how it came about

One of the soldiers has now died from this infection

IDF soldier dies after being infected with dangerous fungus in Gaza - reportsAn IDF soldier has died after being infected by a harmful fungus in the Gaza Strip, Israeli media reports.
The soldier was taken to Assuta Ashdod Medical Center weeks after returning from Gaza with serious limb injuries due to the infection.
It is understood that around 10 soldiers have now been infected with the same fungus and are undergoing treatment in Israel, The Times of Israel reports, citing Kan radio.
The latest report comes after the Association for Infectious Diseases (AID) in Israel said that several drug-resistant pathogens had been found in the injuries of returning Israeli troops.
"In all hospitals it is reported that soldiers have returned from the battlefield with resistant infections," Professor Galia Rahav, chairman of the AID, told The Telegraph last week.
The expert added that contact with the soil and mud in Gaza could causes exposure to such resistant bacteria and mould.

Parkingt111 · 25/12/2023 22:36

I found this update. I believe it is a member of the WHO at Al-Shifa hospital today. Got to see the inside of the hospital again. It's still as grim as ever
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C1RjnyiIvxo/?igsh=bnRrMWlibThvNDNn

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Silence1 · 25/12/2023 19:17

Israeli Govt's Christmas message

"Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said Israel will intensify its fight against Hamas in the coming days.
He told members of his party that he had visited Gaza on Monday morning and that Israel's military campaign there was "not close to being over"."

You could argue this is because they are ineffective . Ineffective on the 7th October and ineffective Christmas Day except of course in their killing and maiming children, destroying lives and homes where they seem to exceed.

Silence1 · 25/12/2023 19:08

Parkingt111 · 25/12/2023 16:16

Injured and also so many stuck under the rubble
I think the currect recorded death toll from Al maghazi is 106 but injured is much much higher. Looking at the destruction it caused I am wondering if another 2000 pound bomb was used
It's one of the deadliest attacks in awhile but not much noise because its happening over the festive period where world leaders are busy.
From what we know of the capacity of Al Aqsa then you are right I don't see how they will cope

Israeli Govt just keep heaping horror on horror

Parkingt111 · 25/12/2023 16:16

Injured and also so many stuck under the rubble
I think the currect recorded death toll from Al maghazi is 106 but injured is much much higher. Looking at the destruction it caused I am wondering if another 2000 pound bomb was used
It's one of the deadliest attacks in awhile but not much noise because its happening over the festive period where world leaders are busy.
From what we know of the capacity of Al Aqsa then you are right I don't see how they will cope

Efacsen · 25/12/2023 16:08

@Parkingt111 Al Aqsa Martyrs hospital received a lot of wounded - no idea how they'll cope as none of the hospitals are okay

Have seen very high numbers for injured

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