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Conflict in the Middle East

Mainly about Al Shifa [bombed front of hospital 3]

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Efacsen · 26/11/2023 18:18

Continuation from thread 3

The on-going dire situation at the hospital

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Parkingt111 · 27/01/2024 10:10

@Efacsen the last I saw Al Amal hospital was still under siege two days ago, there was shelling in the vicinity of the hospital and anyone who tried to leave was sniped.
I'm trying to see if I can find an update for today

Parkingt111 · 27/01/2024 10:04

The WHO Chief posted this which includes footage of the total carnage in Al Nasser hospital. It's beyond belief how a hospital can barely operate in such conditions

https://twitter.com/DrTedros/status/1750994031348199931?t=YC6yqbHN9AekF7h625-3tQ&s=19

https://twitter.com/DrTedros/status/1750994031348199931?s=19&t=YC6yqbHN9AekF7h625-3tQ

Efacsen · 27/01/2024 07:58

The carnage continues - latest on hospitals in Khan Younis

Vital medical services at Gaza’s largest functioning health facility have collapsed amid ongoing intense fighting and bombing in Khan Younis in southern Gaza, leaving people with no options to go for treatment, Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) has warned. Most of the staff at Nasser hospital, along with thousands of displaced people sheltering in the hospital, fled in the days leading up to the evacuation order by Israel Defense Forces (IDF), while the European Gaza hospital is “unreachable” for medical staff because its neighbouring areas are under evacuation order, it said. Nasser hospital in Khan Younis in southern Gaza has experienced a complete power outage, according to reports.

IIRC Nasser hospital represented 20% of Gaza's recent remaining hospital capacity - so a huge loss

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Parkingt111 · 22/01/2024 15:51

@Toothyfruity that's terrible. Situation at An Nasser hospital is also really bad. There's heavy airstrikes near it and it's too dangerous to try and reach a cemetery to bury the dead. Reports today show graves being dug on the hospital grounds to bury those who have died

Toothyfruity · 22/01/2024 11:56

I heard an interview with the Israeli ambassador to Ireland blaming Hamas for Israel's attacks on Red Crescent ambulances and blatantly lying about Isrsel blocking aid from coming in. And lots of other lies.

It's depressing at this stage listening to diplomats speaking absolute nonsense and lies to justify the continued genocide of Palestinians.

Parkingt111 · 22/01/2024 08:28

There has been intense airstrikes in Khan Younis overnight. I have seen videos where the inured and dead are arriving at the hospitals in make shift carts because the ambulances can't reach them

Parkingt111 · 22/01/2024 08:26

The Palestine Red Crescent Society (PRCS) said the agency’s ambulances are unable to reach the injured in Khan Younis, in the southern Gaza Strip, as Israeli forces are “besieging” the PRCS’s ambulance centre and “targeting anyone attempting to move in the area”.
The PRCS said earlier this morning that Israeli tanks were nearing al-Amal city hospital in Khan Younis and that it had lost all contact with its team in the area due to the ground offensive.

Mainly about Al Shifa [bombed front of hospital 3]
stomachameleon · 19/01/2024 18:09

@Parkingt111 the voice of reason.

Parkingt111 · 19/01/2024 10:58

There's also been reports of a worrying increase of Hepatitis A and jaundice. Which doesn't help with the lack of aid and facilities to treat it

This is from the WHO
https://twitter.com/DrTedros/status/1748106412855632003?t=6Qaryi4tvDNToHRh6wXrbQ&s=19

https://twitter.com/DrTedros/status/1748106412855632003?s=19&t=6Qaryi4tvDNToHRh6wXrbQ

Parkingt111 · 19/01/2024 10:51

It's a very upsetting topic and i don't think anyone wishes ill on either side. It is a really sad situation for all involved and I hope it all comes to a end soon.

Efacsen · 19/01/2024 10:22

Humdingerydoo · 19/01/2024 10:17

So Parking gets a thanks for the additional information and I get a lecture on not displaying sympathy and empathy (for the right thing apparently as determined by you, as I apparently should have shown it for those who were buried and not for those undergoing surgery with only g&a) in every single one of my posts? Where is your sympathy for the hostages that were held there and are possibly buried there? I didn't see you show any in your recent posts? Would it be helpful if I started pulling you up on it every time you haven't displayed sympathy for Israel, Israelis and/or the hostages? Or would it be an utterly ridiculous and immature thing for me to do?

Please just leave me alone now, I really don't want this thread derailed but you can't attack me and reasonably expect me to let you just say whatever nonsense you want about me without it being challenged.

You said you didn't want an argument with me yet here you are arguing!

And telling me to leave you alone

Maybe do as you say and go away

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Humdingerydoo · 19/01/2024 10:17

So Parking gets a thanks for the additional information and I get a lecture on not displaying sympathy and empathy (for the right thing apparently as determined by you, as I apparently should have shown it for those who were buried and not for those undergoing surgery with only g&a) in every single one of my posts? Where is your sympathy for the hostages that were held there and are possibly buried there? I didn't see you show any in your recent posts? Would it be helpful if I started pulling you up on it every time you haven't displayed sympathy for Israel, Israelis and/or the hostages? Or would it be an utterly ridiculous and immature thing for me to do?

Please just leave me alone now, I really don't want this thread derailed but you can't attack me and reasonably expect me to let you just say whatever nonsense you want about me without it being challenged.

Efacsen · 19/01/2024 10:01

Thank you for that additional information @Parkingt111 it's clearly a deliberate strategy but not beyond the wit of man or IDF to do this in a more respectful way

Including returning bodies

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Efacsen · 19/01/2024 09:52

Humdingerydoo · 19/01/2024 09:43

I'm sorry I didn't display enough sympathy or empathy for your liking. I feel like you're purposely misconstruing my comment though to try and start an argument and score some kind of point. I'm not interested in any kind of argument about this though as there isn't really much to argue about as I don't disagree that it's incredibly sad that it's come to this.

Not a matter of insufficient sympathy/empathy - there was - NONE

And don't see why you shouldn't be pulled up about it even if you don't like it

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Humdingerydoo · 19/01/2024 09:43

Efacsen · 19/01/2024 09:29

Well that's relevant

But not one iota of sympathy or empathy or understanding from you for the people whose relatives are being needlessly dis-interred/taken off to Israel/to be returned en masse and unidentifiable?

Thankfully most people can feel for both those relatives and the desperate hostage families too

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I'm sorry I didn't display enough sympathy or empathy for your liking. I feel like you're purposely misconstruing my comment though to try and start an argument and score some kind of point. I'm not interested in any kind of argument about this though as there isn't really much to argue about as I don't disagree that it's incredibly sad that it's come to this.

Parkingt111 · 19/01/2024 09:40

Previously posters on this board were accused of lying for saying that the Gazans have been recording and showing footage of the IDF bulldozing graveyards and leaving them in a horrific state. We were told that these are false accusations against the IDF.
After they leave, the Gazans have been going back and trying to identify which parts belong to which corpses and then finding a place to try and re-bury the dead.
Even if the IDF believe it a necessity to try and identify killed hostages, I can't understand why they would leave the graveyards in such a state with the utmost disrespect to the deceased and their families.
According to the CNN, they have identified 16 cemeteries which have now been damaged or parts of it bulldozed

Efacsen · 19/01/2024 09:29

Humdingerydoo · 19/01/2024 09:15

Nasser hospital is the one that released hostage Sharon Cuoni says her and up to 30 hostages were held in, so it's not impossible that they will find bodies of hostages nearby.

I'm not going to comment on anything else to do with hospitals in Gaza, I just recognised that name of the hospital from when I read this interview the other day so thought it was worth a mention.

Edited to add: as in, I'm not trying to minimise anything that the people of Gaza are going through at the moment. Obviously having surgery with just g&a is absolutely horrendous. I'm not trying to get in to arguments with anyone about it or trying to justify anything. I'm just stating that the intelligence shows hostages at the very least have been held there even if they're not anymore.

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Well that's relevant

But not one iota of sympathy or empathy or understanding from you for the people whose relatives are being needlessly dis-interred/taken off to Israel/to be returned en masse and unidentifiable?

Thankfully most people can feel for both those relatives and the desperate hostage families too

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Humdingerydoo · 19/01/2024 09:15

Nasser hospital is the one that released hostage Sharon Cuoni says her and up to 30 hostages were held in, so it's not impossible that they will find bodies of hostages nearby.

I'm not going to comment on anything else to do with hospitals in Gaza, I just recognised that name of the hospital from when I read this interview the other day so thought it was worth a mention.

Edited to add: as in, I'm not trying to minimise anything that the people of Gaza are going through at the moment. Obviously having surgery with just g&a is absolutely horrendous. I'm not trying to get in to arguments with anyone about it or trying to justify anything. I'm just stating that the intelligence shows hostages at the very least have been held there even if they're not anymore.

Mainly about Al Shifa [bombed front of hospital 3]
Parkingt111 · 19/01/2024 09:12

Efacsen · 19/01/2024 09:06

Oh and Al Shifa is limping on - they seem to have acquired one or more surgeons and are doing surgery using gas n air rather than GA [?!!!]

That is horrific. I watched a interview with a doctor yesterday who said the situation is unlikely anything she has ever experienced. She said they no longer even have pain relief at times for dying children, so the most they can do is sit with them and comfort them in their last moments

Efacsen · 19/01/2024 09:06

Oh and Al Shifa is limping on - they seem to have acquired one or more surgeons and are doing surgery using gas n air rather than GA [?!!!]

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Efacsen · 19/01/2024 09:00

@Parkingt111 those photos are really shocking

Read yesterday that only 6 of the 36 hospitals remain partially functioning and talk that the ?system has collapsed - hopefully the recent medical aid negotiated by Qatar+ France will improve things a bit - think it includes oxygen, gas n air, antibiotics

And now more injured people are dying after an attack than during it because there is no treatment available - which explains low deaths from reported attacks but high daily death rate Sad Plus ongoing severe suffering of pregnant women and new born deaths

The account of bodies being taken from cemetery near Nasser hospital in my post yesterday was confirmed by IDF = looking for hostage bodies - not sure that's okay

It's all totally grim and relentless - and nothing is being done to stop it despite almost daily info from WHO/UN/PRCS etc

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Parkingt111 · 19/01/2024 07:58

The remains of Al Quds hospital, so much destruction
I don't even know if there is a single fully functioning hospital at full capacity left anymore

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C2Pac6Qs9T1/?igsh=MTNxMjRrODE3b3g4ZA==

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https://www.instagram.com/reel/C2Pac6Qs9T1?igsh=MTNxMjRrODE3b3g4ZA%3D%3D

Efacsen · 18/01/2024 09:32

Fears are growing that Nasser hospital in Khan Younis, the largest hospital still partly functioning in Gaza, may be forced to close due to Israeli attacks.

Palestinian health officials have said seven people were killed by Israeli airstrikes on homes near the hospital overnight to Wednesday.

The aid agency Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) said Israeli forces had “heavily bombed the area close to the hospital with no prior evacuation order, causing patients and many of the thousands of displaced civilians, who had sought refuge in Nasser, to flee in a panic”.

The UN agency OCHA said that Israeli forces withdrew from the area at around 7am on Wednesday and that initial reports and video footage showed that the nearby Al Namsawi cemetery had been destroyed and some graves empty, with bodies reportedly missing.

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Efacsen · 17/01/2024 11:35

Absolutely no excuse for this

Jordanian army accuses Israel of 'flagrant breach of international law' after field hospital in Gaza damaged

The Jordanian army said on Wednesday its military field hospital in the city of Khan Younis in Gaza was badly damaged as a result of Israeli shelling in the vicinity.

In a statement, the army said it held Israel responsible for a “flagrant breach of international law”.

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