Mainly about Al Shifa [bombed front of hospital 3]

Israel's military released a photo of kidnapped medical workers and elderly patients at the Red Crescent's Al Amal Hospital, claiming that they are "terrorists".

https://twitter.com/QudsNen/status/1757856244600054143

2 news from Al-Amal hospital

1. A video shows the Israeli occupation targeting a Palestine Red Crescent ambulance directly with gunfire and brutally assaulting its crew while they were attempting to transfer oxygen cylinders from Nasser Hospital to Al-Amal Hospital about a week ago.

https://twitter.com/PalestineRCS/status/1757836866424844618

It’s awful, to already be in such a vulnerable state and then be told to evacuate with no way of knowing how that is actually feasible. I remember being a patient in hospital once and while I could have managed to drag myself out if there was a fire I couldn’t see how a lot of people would be able to do this without assistance, and even with assistance to get them simply outside the building, it would have been an absolutely massive task. I don’t really understand what is happening here or where these people are meant to go.

https://twitter.com/DrTedros/status/1757738485824311673?t=ZyS9XEhrjVrLI97SD0TA-A&s=19

WHO Chief just posted this now

Civilians killed, orders to evacuate people seeking shelter, the northern wall demolished: I am alarmed by what is reportedly happening at Nasser Medical Complex in #Gaza after being under siege for around a week.
Hostilities have reportedly destroyed storage facilities for medical equipment and supplies.
Access to the hospital remains obstructed — there is no safe corridor for those in need.
Two @WHO missions have been denied in the last four days and we lost touch with the hospital’s personnel.
We have seen before how depriving hospitals of resources and access halts lifesaving services.
Nasser is the backbone of the health system in southern Gaza. It must be protected. Humanitarian access must be allowed.
Hospitals must be safeguarded so that they can serve their life-saving function.
They must not be militarized or attacked.

I follow one of the doctors on social media who is based at Nasser hospital, who gives daily updates. The last one was 18 hours ago where he mentioned the Palestinian detainee who was sent in to the hospital to deliver the message that they need to evacuate the hospital who he said was then later shot at and killed when leaving with other displaced people.
He mentioned he was trapped in one of the buildings as a usual safe corridor they normally use to get to another building was no longer safe, as people who tried to use it were sniped and killed.

The reports on Nasser hospital are extremely concerning
I saw last night that evacuation orders were given, but the medical staff said there wasn't a safe way to evacuate many of the patients and would not abandon them either.

Forced removal of 10k people from Nasser hospital.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3Um0B-san_/?igsh=NmpvOWJobm96Njlr

@Humdingerydoo night 😴

At this point I couldn't give a fuck if they found nukes under Al Shifa. There is nothing they could find there which would make me think the death and destruction the murderous IDF have inflicted on Gaza is justified.

Hopefully every last one of them, who have committed war crimes, will end up in the Hague, along with Netanyahu and his fascist friends as well as Biden and Sunak.

No, the replies so far have been perfectly reasonable and respectful! I wouldn't have responded otherwise. I was more weary of the angry retorts that are so prominent on this board from both sides. I'm just not in the mood for it tonight, I'm feeling anxious just at the thought of it! So I hope any future replies to me on this matter remain calm and measured. Have a good night!

That's the thing, the NYT article is based mostly on supposed classified documents, and as you say where did they get them from? And how do we know the legitimacy of them as I don't think the IDF themselves have published this information?

Oh believe me, I'm well aware. I had that rammed down my throat multiple times which is why I stayed off this thread for so long as people just kept repeating it as though that made it ok for terrorists to be using it. It's not the bunkers that are of concern, it's how they've been used, by whom, and what they are connected to. Also of great concern is who was aware of what it was all being used for. The article also seems to suggest that the IDF didn't tell (or possibly didn't even know?! I'm unsure) the full story originally and that NYT have come across further details from classified documents 🤷🏻‍♀️ That there are way more tunnels connected to the hospital than originally claimed.

I'm very curious how NYT came across supposedly classified documents but I doubt we'll ever find out.

@Humdingerydoo last post as I'm off to sleep, but just to say that I hope the above posts are not taken as backlash to your post or in a mean way but just some of my thoughts which I may be right or wrong about

@Humdingerydoo although this may have been expanded on, the underground bunkers under Al shifa hospital were actually built by Israel. Or helped to build by Israeli contractors. Which is why it doesn't come as much of a suprise that the IDF found a bunker there or other rooms. It was said in an interview by ex Israeli PM around the time of the raid.

My issue is that the NYT's article have based this piece only on the IDF's intelligence. The IDF took reporters to the tunnels under Al-Shifa themselves after they first raided the hospital. The initial findings which they showed were viewed with some sceptism by the reporters, remember the BBC piece on it? So why didn't they show any of this evidence that is being reported now?

Like the article posted by @Humdingerydoo was just mostly re-hashing the NYT's article without forcing their own opinion on to the readers.

@PeasfullPerson I take some things with a pinch of salt and I won't deny that at times I do feel there is a bias but generally I feel the reporting style is less opinionated and more just presenting who said what.

Do you think so @Parkingt111? You must have read it more than me. I was quite annoyed with their reporting the other day of over 10,000 members of Hamas being killed, and conveniently no mention of the number of children.

I actually read the Times of Israel quite often for updates in regards to the war. I prefer their reporting over haaretz. I think it's more central, neither right wing or left wing.