Detainees, Truce and Agreements *title altered at OP's request*

@Efacsen I get the sense of urgency but in light of the result maybe that would have been the better option.

As in if they knew that would be the outcome (as I doubt it was a surprise to anyone) then it could be construed as postering by the Arab states? 'Well we all wanted to do something but America said no'

Allows the likes of Russia and China (bastions of human rights) to have their say. To what effect? Makes a mockery of it really in light of Ukraine etc.

If I have it wrong please say.... was it fairly obvious who would vote what way or was if a complete surprise? Down to the wire?

@Stomacharmeleon the diplomacy has to go on before the resolution is brought to the Security Council meeting - there were attempts on Friday to delay the meeting to allow more time for diplomacy and also to have the meeting but not a vote so as not to embarress the US

But the sense of urgency was real and it went ahead as planned

@Efacsen that's interesting. I didn't realise that. I didn't realise it would be so cut and dried if you know what I mean. No room for diplomacy.

And in fact that might not be completely correct - maybe UK or US would have had to present an alternative resolution which they wouldn't have done because neither wanted a ceasefire

Sometimes as has been the case before w Gaza argey-bargeying about the precise wording can go on for days/weeks

There was a sense of urgency and adopting the UAE resolution was the most straightforward route

@Efacsen I think if Hamas let the Red Cross in at least it would go a long way to resolution. I do understand though why neither side is showing willing.

As far as I understand it - it's a bit of a cumbersome process and the resolution can't be re-jigged/bits added at that stage - any changes needed to be made when UAE first presented the draft resolution

Hamas are already saying that they want a ceasefire and release of all hostages so
?more likely to accept

Israel doesn't want a ceasefire atm isn't ready to end the war

Parties who don't co-operate can be subject to economic sanctions

Thanks @stormy4319trevor tbh there is little in your post I disagree with.

@Efacsen I wasn't being facetious I am genuinely interested. I thought the uk abstained due to lack of condemnation of Hamas? Could that not have been rejigged?

I suppose I mean. Say it goes through. Then what? Do hamas and Israel have to recognise it? Are either likely too?

All that was in the UN resolution vetoed by US on Friday - it's not a ceasefire unless it's both parties [??] and releasing all hostages in there too

Ok let's for arguments sake say it goes back to the UN.
The resolution from the Arab states includes the phrases 'both' and stipulates that Hamas has to release hostages, lay down arms, stop firing rockets and come to the table. As does Israel. No more bombs.

Checks and balance. Both sides have an equal footing and shared responsibility.

It goes through.

Then what happens?

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Some not particularly good news for hostages and their families

Qatar PM: Israel's bombardment of Gaza 'narrowing the window' for renewed hostage deal

Mediation efforts are continuing to secure a new Gaza ceasefire and free more hostages held by Hamas despite the ongoing Israeli bombardment that is “narrowing the window” for a successful outcome, Qatar’s prime minister said Sunday.

“Our efforts as the state of Qatar along with our partners are continuing. We are not going to give up,” sheikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman al-Thani told the Doha Forum, adding that “the continuation of the bombardment is just narrowing this window for us”.

“We are going to continue, we are committed to have hostages released, but we are also committed to stop the war,” Qatar’s prime minister said.

But, AFP reports he added, “we are not seeing the same willingness from both parties”.

atleast a little relief in one area
They have asked more blocks in Khan younis to evacuate today and the pressure is mounting

This was from a poll in 2022
Only 14% of the Egyptians polled view the peace agreements as positive, while 82% see them as at least "somewhat" negative. Egyptian attitudes toward peace with Israel show that the public is not in line with the policies of its own government on this question.

It seems even before the war, majority of Egyptians were not happy with normalising relations with Israel.
I'm sure that has decreased even more now but the government I doubt will still allow refugees in.

IDF have announced brief 'humanitarian pause' in Rafah today - hopefully some aid will get delivered to Al Mawasi during that time

@Parkingt111 it's sad but true that at least in Sinai there are no bombs falling and humanitarian aid [photos yesterday of backlog at El Arish airport] and field hospitals are to hand

Don't see the point of having red-lines if your actions make the breaching of them more likely - it's mad stuff

Shakes my head til it gives me vertigo

@Efacsen the US have been the most contradictory with their words and actions and I'm glad to see the UN and other countries calling them out for it now.
I have seen the images of Mawasi where Israel expects all the civilians to move to and it is inhumane to expect such a thing
It is no different than expecting them to go live in sinai in a barren desert

@Parkingt111 IDK US vetoing a ceasefire and sending more ammunition - US says one of their red lines is not displacing citizens into Sinai but it looks very much like that's now on the near horizon and once it starts will be ?unstoppable

Elections in Egypt today - voters being bribed with food to vote for El Sisi

@Efacsen thanks for the update
I have just seen the UN chief say he isn't going to give up on a ceasefire but I'm not really sure what else can be done if the US can continue to veto any resolutions calling for one

Demonstrations again in Tel Aviv yesterday led by the freed hostages and Hostages & Missing families

And Sahar Baruch's kibbutz confirmed his death yesterday - likely sometime around mid-Nov

Otherwise no hostage or negotiation news

Definitely no moral issue with it at all you only have to look at their treatment of civilians in NI during the troubles to know that

UK and US are well able to carry out war crimes themselves. They probably have no moral issue with it.

@Mousecatgame yes because all the other countries are uncivilised and undemocratic.... (For clarity, I'm being sarcastic!)

You do know that only the UK and USA believe they are the best and forward thinking countries in the world. But in reality they are becoming more backwards....