Israelis held hostage (part 2)

May his memory be blessed

Follow US requests, Israel is allowing aid to be supplied at same rate as was supplied during the ceasefire. Additionally, the safety of Gaza's civilians must be prioritised, and proven in military plans.

(per the news person I follow), have not had energy to check other news sites to confirm.

Oh thats very sad news.

Yonatan Samerano, kidnapped from Nova party, declared dead. Body remains in Gaza.

I don't want to derail the thread as it is about the hostages but I'm seeing more and more examples globally of blatant anti-Semitism, real Kristallnacht stuff taking place now and it's getting worse every week.

Well it makes you understand the mentality towards Jewish people that allowed Hitler to do what he did

We are witnessing it right now with the mentality, beliefs and views of a lot of people about Jews

Its new levels of disturbing isn't it.

These are the same people that think say Jews and Zionists are dirty, animals, subhuman etc

Therefore they do actually think Hamas have taught the child good Islamic values

They are not mocking her as such. They actually do believe she was an ill mannered creature before Hamas made her more Islamic

They are twisted sick fuckwits that's for sure

I understand that Emily referred to other hostages and sharing limited food with them.

Some sick individuals suggest that hamas taught her manners and empathy. You really cannot make up the idiocy and ridiculous and sick nature of the reach some on those ho to, to suggest hamas are good guys.

Unbelievable.

Some lovely people think it's appropriate to mock kidnapped children:

https://twitter.com/taraxrh/status/1731403473529536518

Surely the more likely scenario is that she is copying the behaviour of the other hostages rather than those keeping them captive?! The adult hostages were apparently very careful to make sure the children and elderly didn't go without, while they themselves were literally starving. Why would anyone think Hamas were teaching children table manners 🤯🤯🤯

Oh bless them, that is so sweet but so sad at the same time

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12820127/Touching-moment-missing-four-year-old-Israeli-hostage-meets-new-little-brother-months-kidnapped-Hamas-October-7-attack-family-release-video-evil-terrorists-refused-release-pair-ceasefire.html

I follow the 'bring them home' on Instagram.

She is truly inspirational. I really hope he returns home.

Not seen anything about him myself today

His mother is wonderful and gives some strong interviews and quotes. Amazing considering what the poor woman is going though

I did see this earlier:

https://www.tiktok.com/@bring.hersh.home/video/7308133483069607169

Any news on Hersh I wonder?

Oh yes that has been happening as well. Like in the case of these soldiers who apparently were killed in the pogrom but there bodies got stolen and taken to Gaza . It is so later negotiates can happen or else just to torture the families.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/bodies-of-three-soldiers-killed-on-october-7-taken-by-hamas-to-gaza-idf-says/

This link goes to an article about hostages Hamas has from years before 7th October and sthave not released. Plus bodies they won't return

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/13/world/middleeast/hamas-israel-hostages.html

It is all rather grim because it means not much chance of getting all the current hostages and bodies returned if Hamas stays in place. Even if they are finished others will just take other the hostages or kill them. Short of individual rescue missions which are very dangerous I cannot see an end to this anytime soon.

I have just come across this which I think explains it @Trulywonderful this is from sky news published today

Israeli medical experts declare some hostages dead in absentia
Israel has been declaring some of its missing people as dead in captivity.
A three-person medical committee has been poring over videos from the 7 October Hamas attack for signs of lethal injuries among those abducted, and cross-referencing with the testimony of hostages freed during a week-long Gaza truce that ended on Friday.
Hagar Mizrahi, a health ministry official who heads the panel, said that can suffice to determine that a hostage has died, even if no doctor has formally pronounced this over his or her body.

Israel definitely have some Gaza informants. Medical personnel etc that have been there for years. So I imagine that is how some deaths got confirmed

I don't believe any bodies will have been returned. In the past when Hamas have taken people or killed people and taken the bodies they have not just given them back. Negotiations have taken place then too.

Actually from memory they still have someone's body from a few years back that they have been refusing to return. It is all mind games with them most the time but especially currently.

I can't remember the name of the person they won't let the family bury off the top of my head. Maybe someone else hear remembers. Very annoying because I was reading an article a few days ago and it was mentioned there again

@Trulywonderful yes I was asking as since then there has been other hostages who have been confirmed as dead sadly by Israel. There wasn't any information given as far as I am aware of how the government confirmed the deaths or if they have retrieved the bodies, which Is why I was wondering if any updates were given regarding the Bibas family which I may have missed

Nothing new today I think

The possibility of bodies being return in exchange for prisoners was offered apparently.

However Israel would be stupid to negotiate prisoners release in exchange dead bodies at this point. I mean Hamas etc would have no need to keep people alive if they can get prisoners released for dead bodies.

Anyway until body verification happens or they turn up alive, we know nothing. Hamas hasn't exactly been honest about information regarding the hostages so far. Therefore anything apart from the above isn't worth much

It is all just psychological vile twisted games isn't it

I said from the beginning that Hamas would treat some hostages well to look good for the western useful idiots. The rest of the hostages would be tortured, raped, killed etc. However I really hoped I would be wrong about this.

I didn't think about the psychological games that would be played to torture the hostages and their families either

The release of the latest hostages and hearing what they have been through. Knowing what they still are going through even after release and that 125 hostages are still being abuse by Hamas, if they are not dead. This has broken me, it really has.

Me too

I've not seen any mention of the Bibas family on X today.

Hello
Does anyone know if there is an update on the Bibas children and their mother?
The last I saw was the statement from the family which said it wasn't verified and then since then I haven't seen anything else which confirms or denies Hamas's claims