Israelis held hostage (part 2)

Body of Elya Toledano (28) rescued yesterday from Gaza.

Im losing hope that more than a handful are still alive. After the pictures I saw of Saar Baruch, I worry that most have been murdered, and they’ve kept you a few to use as shields for Sinwar.

His death ( in captivity ) was written about in the Times of Israel yesterday together with the news that Tal Chaimi, who was part of the rapid response Oct 7 was confirmed dead, killed in the massacre. It said it was believed the terrorists hold their bodies in Gaza.

It did not give details about how the Israeli authorities know which I wonder, especially as they have not got the bodies or do not know for sure Hamas has them.

I also wonder how it was Tal Chaimi died Oct 7 but Hamas might have taken his body into captivity? The terrorists looked so caught up in chaos both trying to capture living people and killing others.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/nir-yitzhak-resident-tal-chaimi-confirmed-killed-on-oct-7-family-and-kibbutz-say/

It must be so very dreadful for their families both to hear this news and yet not even have their bodies.

I still keep thinking about the family I watched whose 18 yr old dd was murdered in their home in Nir Oz and the dad was taken hostage.
the interview was with the mum/wife and she was incredibly strong and brave, I think of them everyday.

His name is Tsachi Idan. I hope and pray he’s still alive.

www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-12-14/ty-article/.premium/hadassah-women-group-slams-red-cross-failure-to-treat-israeli-hostages-held-in-gaza/0000018c-67b3-de43-affd-f7b3080a0000

On the Red Cross failures to secure seeing the remaining hostages.

It makes me feel vaguely sick every time I read of a new dead hostage, just awful

@XRAYTHIS hence why they are reluctant to let the Red Cross in.

I suspect many are dead and the bodies are just kept for bargaining tools.
Hamas leaders won't give up their power and vast money supply easily.

Sorry, my last post was responding to Xenia based on her mentioning Isis and Yazidi girls (who we all know
were taken as sex slaves).

”Xenia · Today 16:19”

“Absolutely terrible of Hamas (from a link above) “One of the girls was given ketamine for a few weeks,” she continued, referring to a powerful dissociative anesthetic known for giving the recipient a sense of detachment from their environment. “It’s unbelievable to do this to a child.”

“This does not surprise me as if you look at what ISIS did in their so called Islamic State to yazidi girls, held as slaves and worse - this is what we have to fight against - people like ISIS and Hamas who think this is okay”

Are you suggesting this was ketamine and tranquilizers/opiates given by Hamas so as to rape hostages?

It could be obviously, but I read that article and don’t remember it saying that even though it was about the horrors faced by the them at Hamas’s hands.

I only recall it was about drugging the hostages to keep them easy to control and quiet, and also the suffering caused to some hostages kept in the dark for days, and the terrible long term effects of this.

Hope you are ok @EllaDisenchanted.

Tal Haimi (41), hostage killed by Hamas. Family updated today, his body remains in Gaza.

Not in the least bit surprised

@Kaffeebitte see i look at that the other way round. If Hamas prioritised their civilians they would signal to their people in Qatar that they are happy to release the hostages. They wouldn't mess about lying about the whereabouts of kfir and his family, act like they have mislaid them, then mention that they are dead (filming his dad and releasing it in the process). They would stop firing rockets whenever they feel like it from residential areas into kibbutz in Israel. They would lay down their arms and let them go.

They took the hostages in order to get a reaction. You want the reaction to stop release the hostages.

It’s relevant because while the bombing is happening the hostages won’t be released. The bombing doesn’t lead to their release, it has the opposite effect. Hostage negotiation is a skilled and delicate art. Very separate to bombing the hell out of a place. If the Israeli Govt prioritised the hostage releases, they wouldn’t be bombing. They have other priorities much of which is driven by a political agenda - if they can be made to stop dropping massive bombs then there is some hope for the release of more hostages.

Absolutely terrible of Hamas (from a link above) “One of the girls was given ketamine for a few weeks,” she continued, referring to a powerful dissociative anesthetic known for giving the recipient a sense of detachment from their environment. “It’s unbelievable to do this to a child.”

This does not surprise me as if you look at what ISIS did in their so called Islamic State to yazidi girls, held as slaves and worse - this is what we have to fight against - people like ISIS and Hamas who think this is okay.

So not relevant then

Very relevant due to the financial and political support provided from the US to Israel.

@Parker231 and that's relevant to 'Israelis held hostage' why?

https://news.sky.com/story/even-if-israel-turns-a-deaf-ear-to-uns-gaza-ceasefire-vote-it-wont-have-missed-its-biggest-allys-shift-in-stance-13029139

The UK and US are becoming isolated in their views

That report is harrowing to read and the suffering the hostages endured is
unimaginable. That description is of living hell.

What on earth can be happening to those who remain. They must be nearly starving by now too.

Also I just saw this report about tunnels. Does anyone know if the IDF is sure about tunnels not all linking up, and sure as to which parts hostages are in/not in?

Report: IDF has begun pumping seawater into Hamas tunnels in Gaza | The Times of Israel
www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/report-idf-has-begun-pumping-seawater-into-hamas-tunnels-in-gaza/

Eden Zechariah 28 (kidnapped from nova)
Ziv Dado 36 (IDF)
2 soldiers died in the retrieval, including the son (Gal Meir) of the war cabinet minister, Gadi Eisenkot. Eisenkot’s nephew Maor (19) was killed the next day.

@StarbucksSmarterSister that's so desperately sad.