Israelis held hostage (part 2)

Absolutely - but then we'd need to know full information about their detention and I'm not sure that would be easy to find (and probably wouldn't be accepted by some even if it was)

Anybody who has stoned someone to death should definitely be in jail. Throwing a stone at a tank is not an offence that should mean a lengthy jail sentence, or death in the case of Faris Odeh (pictured below) And other children since

To be fair adults who are handy with a sling shot could kill someone (though the IDF have guns which I’m fairly sure are just as deadly).

This does not mean children can be mistreated and shoved in cages by people who despise them because they view them as tomorrow’s terrorists.

Human Rights Campaigners have uncovered suspected cases of fabricated charges to cover up IDF shootings. Such as:

Shorouq Dwayyat, who is currently serving her ninth year of a 16-year sentence, is one of many prisoners who campaigners say have been unjustly tried and sentenced on unfair or fabricated charges. She was also fined 80,000 shekels ($21,500).
She was just 18 years old when Israeli forces shot her four times, leaving her in critical condition.
She was accused of attempting to stab an Israeli settler with a knife, but her family strongly refutes the charges.
Palestinian witnesses said an Israeli settler had tried to pull off her hijab while she was walking past, in a deliberate act of provocation. She pushed back and Israeli forces fired four bullets into her body, leaving her to bleed on the ground for half an hour before arresting her.
Shorouq was treated at the Ein Karem/Hadassah Hospital in Jerusalem, undergoing skin grafts and several operations. She had just started her first semester at Bethlehem University as a geography and history student, after obtaining a 90 percent average in her high school results.

Do you know why he was throwing stones at the tank?

Oh please quit with the emotive language and accusations. Do you know the background events to those children being detained?

100% this!

Anybody who has stoned someone to death should definitely be in jail. Throwing a stone at a tank is not an offence that should mean a lengthy jail sentence, or death in the case of Faris Odeh (pictured below) And other children since.

No. I think it’s really telling that you don’t think Palestinian children and women deserve the same civil rights we currently enjoy. You don’t shoot and kill or put children in prison for throwing a rock because it might be a suicide bomb in ten years when they are adults. A civilisation only punishes people for the crimes they commit, not the crimes you think a child might go on to commit.

It is inhumane to kill or imprison children for a crime you think they might commit as an adult because of your own Irishphobia or islamaphobia. The narratives are eeerily similar that I am reading. The dehumanisation of an entire population, almost line by line the same excuses.

Except they aren’t facts, fun or otherwise, many of the female and child Palestinian prisoners being released were held under administrative detention. Which is a special human rights violating power whereby the military can arrest and detain anyone for an indefinite period. They are never charged, they never had a trial, their guilt was never proven and yet they have been held for months or years in prison. Several cases, they did stand trial in a military court and despite being found innocent of the charges, were still sentenced to several years in prison on suspicion of guilt by association.

Here’s some more ‘fun’ facts

Keeping kids in cages eh? How jolly.

You think little girls are immune to radicalisation.

I seem to recall similar things said about Irish children during the Troubles as excuses by the British Army for killing them. Even little girls.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jun/27/stories-of-children-killed-in-the-troubles-to-be-told-to-mps

Probably because there are no Palestinian hostages.

Great news about the hostages being released.

Heaven forbid these posters ever watch a person being stoned to death. They can't fathom the representation of stone throwing. They equate it to school kids harmlessly playing.

People were saying it is cruel of Israel to forbid celebrations of the released Palestinian prisoners.
Unfortunately, this is why:

Here’s some more ‘fun’ facts.

https://www.savethechildren.org.uk/news/media-centre/press-releases/new-research-reveals-ongoing-violence-on-palestinian-children--

"Throwing stones" makes the offence sound much less serious than it often is. Wikipedia reports st least 14 deaths in Israel from stone throwing Often the throwing is done using slingshots, as depicted by Banksy, that can be very accurate and cause serious injuries. I don't think the offence should be trivialised or dismissed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_stone-throwing

But your original comment seemed to minimise or dismiss the fact that some of them are terrorists and prisoners for good reason. Can you tell me the name of just one Palestinian prisoner in there for decades for throwing a stone?

@Ixxy1980 I am not sure any of them have been there 'decades' for stone throwing as they aren't old enough. We know generally why the women are there.

I don't agree that anyone should stay in prison for years without being tried but Israel is not unique like that (hard stare to America)

I do sympathise with radicalised children being detained. If a child was continually throwing stones at the army here I would wonder what their parents were doing? Or what they were being taught. It's all very David and Goliath but when it results is possibly being shot is it worth it?

The only thing I strongly disagree with is the use of the word 'hostage' and the constant baiting of others on these threads by using it. I see no comparison when I look at those babies and small children who have still yet to be released. I really feel Hamas has the clock ticking with that situation.

Netanyahu propping up Hamas is probably my favourite “fun fact”

If someone has been detained wrongly or unfairly, of course they should be released.

I’ve acknowledged the fact that many of these prisoners will have committed actual crimes. I’m not blind to that fact or to the evil of Hamas. You are also missing ‘fun’ facts to fit your narrative like the fact that some of these people are in prison for decades for throwing a stone! It’s not as black and white as Israel good, Palestine bad as you seem to be suggesting, surely you would want anyone who’s been detained wrongly or unfairly to be released?

Oh yes those little fun facts. What a perfect way of describing it. Marie from Maidstone, sat in her cosy jim jams with a cappucino, can express all the sympathy in the world for Palestinians. She however, cannot express empathy for the overall situation in Gaza. The bigger picture won't compute with our Marie, where radicalisation starts from testing small incidents aimed at those protecting Israel.

Update on Maya Regev's injuries

Haaretz is reporting that Maya Regev, a released hostage that Hamas had seized durings its assault on the Supernova music festival, “will need to undergo surgery in the future”. It quotes the director of Soroka Medical Centre, where she has been taken, saying “we expect her to make a full recovery”. There were no further details.

Plus the fact, obviously, that a lot of them weren't "trivial" offences to begin with. And a lot of the prisoners are affiliated with Hamas or other terrorist organisations. I don't understand why some posters consistently keep missing these little fun facts. It's almost like it doesn't fit their narrative. But that would be insane, because they're on the right side of history so obviously wouldn't want murderers or attempted murderers out on the street.