Page 3 | Israelis held hostage (part 2)

stomachameleon · 15/12/2023 20:05

I have seen some pictures of what led to them being shot and what led the soldiers to believe they were Hamas including clothing, dolls with Hebrew voices and crying. Children's clothes and backpacks. It was on insta.

It's barbaric and I hope this is not weaponised where the IDF are concerned. Those soldiers will have to carry the guilt of this and those hostages should never have been there.

Parkingt111 · 15/12/2023 19:33

How devastating for the families. Everyday all we hear is innocent lives being lost

Parkingt111 · 15/12/2023 19:31

This was further added on BBC

The IDF says troops fired on the hostages in the northern town of Shejaiya after they were mistakenly identified as a threat.
During subsequent searches and checks in the area, "suspicion arose over the identities of the deceased", the statement says, and their bodies were transferred to Israeli territory for examination.
The statement says "immediate lessons from the event have been learned" and passed on to all IDF troops in the field.

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StarbucksSmarterSister · 15/12/2023 19:03

Israel Defense Forces spokesman Daniel Hagari quoted as saying “during combat in Shejaiya [northern Gaza], the IDF mistakenly identified three Israeli hostages as a threat. As a result, the troops fired toward them and they were killed.”

Full investigation to follow.

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XRAYTHIS · 15/12/2023 19:01

StarbucksSmarterSister · 15/12/2023 18:33

Oh my God this is so sad. IDF killed 3 hostages, immediately confirming it was their mistake.

https://twitter.com/AvivaKlompas/status/1735728365468815686?t=OCFO7Yua0z9uDzE6hpkS_g&s=19

That's tragic.

A very highly charged and challenging situation always thinking you might get shot so shooting quickly.

Awful.

ScrollingLeaves · 15/12/2023 18:54

StarbucksSmarterSister · 15/12/2023 18:33

Oh my God this is so sad. IDF killed 3 hostages, immediately confirming it was their mistake.

https://twitter.com/AvivaKlompas/status/1735728365468815686?t=OCFO7Yua0z9uDzE6hpkS_g&s=19

How tragic. Alive still until that point.
If only more were explained. What was the context and where were they?

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StarbucksSmarterSister · 15/12/2023 18:41

They were spotted in an area where 20 soldiers have been killed. It sounds like they may have escaped, only to be shot by the IDF who thought they were Hamas.

Just tragic.

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StarbucksSmarterSister · 15/12/2023 18:33

Oh my God this is so sad. IDF killed 3 hostages, immediately confirming it was their mistake.

https://twitter.com/AvivaKlompas/status/1735728365468815686?t=OCFO7Yua0z9uDzE6hpkS_g&s=19

https://twitter.com/AvivaKlompas/status/1735728365468815686?s=19&t=OCFO7Yua0z9uDzE6hpkS_g

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Parkingt111 · 15/12/2023 12:27

XRAYTHIS · 15/12/2023 12:18

What am amazing individual

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I agree

XRAYTHIS · 15/12/2023 12:18

EllaDisenchanted · 15/12/2023 12:09

yehudis lifshitz still remains committed to peace - her daughter sharone said when she saw her mother shake Hamas hands and say shalom, she believed her mother’s values remain unshaken.

What am amazing individual

EllaDisenchanted · 15/12/2023 12:09

yehudis lifshitz still remains committed to peace - her daughter sharone said when she saw her mother shake Hamas hands and say shalom, she believed her mother’s values remain unshaken.

XRAYTHIS · 15/12/2023 12:04

stomachameleon · 15/12/2023 12:02

@EllaDisenchanted I watched a piece on the instagram about one of the ladies in the kibbutz who was incinerated in her safe room. Massive peace activist. It was so heartbreaking. Channel 4 news spoke to her sons yesterday.

Awful, she was trying to improve relationships for all.

stomachameleon · 15/12/2023 12:02

@EllaDisenchanted I watched a piece on the instagram about one of the ladies in the kibbutz who was incinerated in her safe room. Massive peace activist. It was so heartbreaking. Channel 4 news spoke to her sons yesterday.

EllaDisenchanted · 15/12/2023 11:48

I doubt he feels any shame at all 😔
Some of the biggest activists for peace were murdered or taken hostage . I was very moved by one of the eulogies for Vivian silver, by a Muslim lady she had worked closely with for peace, and it was clear she had lost someone very dear to her.
It’s a double blow for their families, to know that their relatives dedicated their lives to bringing peace between Gaza and Israel, but lost their lives to Hamas. They must feel so betrayed.

XRAYTHIS · 15/12/2023 11:35

EllaDisenchanted · 15/12/2023 11:10

I read that. She and her husband were part of a peace activist group who took sick Palestinians out of Gaza for medical treatment. She confronted him about this and said he should be ashamed of himself.

Good for her, brave lady.

He however is a sick twisted individual who has no shame. Otherwise he wouldn't instruct his evil followers and then hide away behind women and children like the cowardly individual he is.

Parkingt111 · 15/12/2023 11:13

@EllaDisenchanted and he couldn't answer and just stayed quiet. A part of me hopes he would have been ashamed of himself atleast but I doubt he was
Makes me so angry! To do this to innocent people.

EllaDisenchanted · 15/12/2023 11:10

I read that. She and her husband were part of a peace activist group who took sick Palestinians out of Gaza for medical treatment. She confronted him about this and said he should be ashamed of himself.

Parkingt111 · 15/12/2023 11:07

I can't remember if it's been mentioned before but she said in an interview she met Yahya Sinwar in the tunnels and confronted him too! Incredibly brave woman.

EllaDisenchanted · 15/12/2023 11:07

Also nothing.

EllaDisenchanted · 15/12/2023 11:06

@Parkingt111 nothing happened. They won’t change their stance.

Parkingt111 · 15/12/2023 11:02

I have seen images of 85 year old Yocheved Lifshitz who was one of the first to be released campaigning for the rest of the hostages. Its so upsetting to know that her husband is still being held.
Has there been any updates on him?

Parkingt111 · 15/12/2023 10:57

There was supposed to be a meeting yesterday in Israel with a senior member of the Red Cross in regards to the hostages. Does anyone know what transpired from there and if anything positive came out from there

EllaDisenchanted · 15/12/2023 10:56

Nick Beiser, job in the IDF was to send goods and aid into Gaza.

Efacsen · 15/12/2023 08:54

And 2 more

''The bodies of two more captives were recovered by Israeli forces inside Gaza and brought back to Israel, the military has said.

The army said it identified the two as Nick Beizer and Ron Sherman, two 19-year-old soldiers who were taken by Hamas fighters on October 7.''

XRAYTHIS · 15/12/2023 08:22

EllaDisenchanted · 15/12/2023 07:06

Body of Elya Toledano (28) rescued yesterday from Gaza.

Im losing hope that more than a handful are still alive. After the pictures I saw of Saar Baruch, I worry that most have been murdered, and they’ve kept you a few to use as shields for Sinwar.

Indeed. They kept some for bargaining and others that were beaten or killed gradually turning up. Some were also taken by 'ordinary Palestinian men' and another terrorist group so when negotiating they didn't seem to know the whereabouts of all hostages.