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Israelis held hostage (part 2)

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StarbucksSmarterSister · 25/11/2023 18:50

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StarbucksSmarterSister · 27/11/2023 21:42

I just read that Hagar Brodetz who looked after little Avigail along with her own children, actually thought her husband was dead until she was released yesterday.

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StarbucksSmarterSister · 27/11/2023 21:31

CatLoaf it's natural. I have a 3 and 4 year old niece and nephew and I keep thinking what if it was them.

It's the last thing I think of at night and the first thing I think I wanna get up in the morning.

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Stomacharmeleon · 27/11/2023 21:29

@CatLoaf I feel the same If it's any consolation.
What happens now then if Hamas Don't have them?

Kaffeebitte · 27/11/2023 21:29

Is this all the children listed ? By my count 35 on here. How many have now been released does anyone know ? https://letmychildrengo.info/hostages

CatLoaf · 27/11/2023 21:17

That baby, I can't stop thinking of him. He and Ariel are almost the same age as my 2 children, and I just can't bear it.
(Selfishly making it all about me, I'm so sorry.)

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StarbucksSmarterSister · 27/11/2023 21:14

They are now in Israel.

Video of the handover to Red Cross shows a child believed to be Yuval Engel being transported to the van in a wheelchair.

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Parkingt111 · 27/11/2023 21:10

Parkingt111 · 27/11/2023 21:01

The Qataris have played a big role in negotiating the hostage release. I don't think they would purposefully undermine their own efforts through word play but rather something that has gotten mixed up in translation
Anybody who has better command of the Arabic language and no otherwise please do feel free to share

Should say *knows otherwise

Parkingt111 · 27/11/2023 21:07

@Humdingerydoo yes sure
Also to keep in mind that there are many different arabic dialects. And sometimes different words are used for different meanings. On a side note my DH was most amused to see me looking through my old arabic dictionary

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Humdingerydoo · 27/11/2023 21:02

Parkingt111 · 27/11/2023 20:57

@Humdingerydoo hey so I had a look at the actual tweet which is in Arabic. It seems that the English Is from Google translate
The word used for the hostages in Arabic was 'Muhtajaz'
My Arabic is quite rusty but i know there are many words that are used interchangeably and therefore can be lost in translation
So I checked in my Arabic dictionary and these were the three translations given for the word.

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Would you be able to send me the original Arabic tweet? Thank you :)

Parkingt111 · 27/11/2023 21:01

The Qataris have played a big role in negotiating the hostage release. I don't think they would purposefully undermine their own efforts through word play but rather something that has gotten mixed up in translation
Anybody who has better command of the Arabic language and no otherwise please do feel free to share

Parkingt111 · 27/11/2023 20:57

Humdingerydoo · 27/11/2023 20:29

So glad they released a further 11 "detainees" tonight 🤦🏻‍♀️

@Humdingerydoo hey so I had a look at the actual tweet which is in Arabic. It seems that the English Is from Google translate
The word used for the hostages in Arabic was 'Muhtajaz'
My Arabic is quite rusty but i know there are many words that are used interchangeably and therefore can be lost in translation
So I checked in my Arabic dictionary and these were the three translations given for the word.

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etmoiandme · 27/11/2023 20:43

@EllaDisenchanted Thanks for the updates. Hope you're doing OK.

etmoiandme · 27/11/2023 20:42

Parkingt111 · 27/11/2023 20:24

@Noatinto I have seen a few different surveys with varying different results
I also support a two state solution
It would be interesting to know what the Palestinians of Gaza think of Hamas after the war has started
I would hope at this point majority of them will see that having a government that instigated an attack that ended up In thousands of them dying and their lives destroyed would not be in their best interests
They have also largely been under occupation and I know that is contested so instead would say instead extremely restricted in the Gaza Strip which could affect their views.
I think it would be interesting to see a survey on how many want the right of self determination and being able to live freely in a independant state whilst co-existing side by side with the Israeli state
All above are just my own thoughts

Yes, mostly my thoughts too.

EllaDisenchanted · 27/11/2023 20:38

InvisibleDuck · 27/11/2023 20:34

Thank you for that correction - I think you're right. I checked and the person who shared that initial list has taken it down and put up an amended one with Eitan Yahalomi on there.

I'm sorry for sharing the wrong information - they've been right every other day so I assumed this was correct too.

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It's all coming out in dribs and drabs, and there is a lot of confusion. This release was delayed again, so maybe there were changes to the list?

InvisibleDuck · 27/11/2023 20:34

EllaDisenchanted · 27/11/2023 20:29

the times of israel has a slightly different list - not Amit Shani (16), but Eitan Yahalomi (12)

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Thank you for that correction - I think you're right. I checked and the person who shared that initial list has taken it down and put up an amended one with Eitan Yahalomi on there.

I'm sorry for sharing the wrong information - they've been right every other day so I assumed this was correct too.

EllaDisenchanted · 27/11/2023 20:31

Agree @Parkingt111

EllaDisenchanted · 27/11/2023 20:29

InvisibleDuck · 27/11/2023 19:03

I've seen this list for today

  1. Sharon Cunio (34)
  2. Emma Cunio (3)
  3. Yuli Cunio (3)
  4. Karina Engel (53)
  5. Mika Engel (18)
  6. Yuval Engel (11)
  7. Amit Shani (16)
  8. Sahar Calderon (16)
  9. Erez Calderon (13)
10. Or Yaakov (16) 11. Yigil Yaakov (13)
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the times of israel has a slightly different list - not Amit Shani (16), but Eitan Yahalomi (12)

Humdingerydoo · 27/11/2023 20:29

So glad they released a further 11 "detainees" tonight 🤦🏻‍♀️

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Parkingt111 · 27/11/2023 20:24

@Noatinto I have seen a few different surveys with varying different results
I also support a two state solution
It would be interesting to know what the Palestinians of Gaza think of Hamas after the war has started
I would hope at this point majority of them will see that having a government that instigated an attack that ended up In thousands of them dying and their lives destroyed would not be in their best interests
They have also largely been under occupation and I know that is contested so instead would say instead extremely restricted in the Gaza Strip which could affect their views.
I think it would be interesting to see a survey on how many want the right of self determination and being able to live freely in a independant state whilst co-existing side by side with the Israeli state
All above are just my own thoughts

Noatinto · 27/11/2023 20:18

Noatinto · 27/11/2023 20:15

That's quite terrifying? I support a 2 party state as do my family and friends in Israel but if these are true figures how will this ever come about?

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Or a 2 state solution ..but neither look likely to succeed in these conditions.

Kaffeebitte · 27/11/2023 20:17

I wish they would release them in daylight. The video of the convoy looks so terrifying .

Noatinto · 27/11/2023 20:15

InvisibleDuck · 27/11/2023 20:01

How many Gazans are for Hamas and how many are against them?

According to this survey, 76% of Palestinians (Gaza and West Bank) have a positive view of Hamas, and 89% have a positive view of the Al-Qassam Brigades, Hamas' military wing.

https://www.awrad.org/en/article/10719/Wartime-Poll-Results-of-an-Opinion-Poll-Among-Palestinians-in-the-West-Bank-and-Gaza-Strip

(The English tables of results seem to have been removed but are accessible via Wayback Machine)

Of course it's possible that people are afraid to express dissent. Even so, those numbers are very high.

That's quite terrifying? I support a 2 party state as do my family and friends in Israel but if these are true figures how will this ever come about?

thelonemommabear · 27/11/2023 20:07

Stomacharmeleon · 27/11/2023 19:05

No kfir, Ariel and their mum....

The Jerusalem post has reported that Hamas have confirmed they don't have them and they are being held in Khan Younis by another terrorist group

Parkingt111 · 27/11/2023 20:02

@EllaDisenchanted thank you
This was reported on sky just now

Israel has confirmed it will receive 11 hostages released by Hamas shortly.
The 11 people, who are already "on their way" with the Red Cross to the border, are reportedly made up by nine children and two mothers - who have been held captive in Gaza for 51

InvisibleDuck · 27/11/2023 20:01

How many Gazans are for Hamas and how many are against them?

According to this survey, 76% of Palestinians (Gaza and West Bank) have a positive view of Hamas, and 89% have a positive view of the Al-Qassam Brigades, Hamas' military wing.

https://www.awrad.org/en/article/10719/Wartime-Poll-Results-of-an-Opinion-Poll-Among-Palestinians-in-the-West-Bank-and-Gaza-Strip

(The English tables of results seem to have been removed but are accessible via Wayback Machine)

Of course it's possible that people are afraid to express dissent. Even so, those numbers are very high.