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I’ve never claimed Ireland wasn’t terrorised by England . I know about all the things you’ve mentioned. ( I had a relative executed by the British in the war of independence. )
Learn to read more carefully

You might want to check with Irish people living in Ireland before you go lauding Clare Daly as representative of our opinions.
It would take an awfully long time . But seriously, I’m interested in understanding why you feel this way, can you explain.

@Limeandsodaontherocks You really haven't a clue, as demonstrated in your flurry of posts of absolute nonsense.

Try opening a history book that goes back further than the 1970s and claim with a straight face that Ireland hasn't been terrorised by the English.

Ever heard of the Black and Tans?
The war of independence?
The famine?

I'm sure we did all that to ourselves 🙄

The situation in Gaza is unbearable. I hope the Palestinians are free of Hamas and the Israelis are free of Netanyahu. I hope the hostages are freed and the no more Palestinians are killed or wounded or made homeless. Anyone who doesn’t want all these things is a monster.
i just think a ceasefire is difficult until the threat of a reoccurrence of October 7th is reduced .
Hamas have made it clear they will keep attacking.

This is all true. It would be completely wrong to paint Ireland as anti semitic . (De Valera though ? ..)

My ancestors in Ireland similarly sufferd but I still support Israel and I think it is a pity Ireland is neutral, but there we are. Luckily MN allows expression of opposing views here.

There’s been a lot of misinformation online about Ireland with a huge amount of propaganda to paint Ireland as anti semitic for not participating in WW2. As several people pointed out a large number of Irish fought for the British army in world war 2 - Ireland did not participate for the same reason it did not participate in any war since it gained independence. The Irish constitution has neutrality written into it - no government can send the Irish army into war which is also why we can’t join Nato. There would have to be a referendum to get the constitution rewritten.

It has been a topic of much debate in the past with some people believing we should remove it from the constitution, join Nato etc and others arguing that because we are such a small country our neutrality is the safer choice. The Irish army have worked abroad as peace keepers.

Thank you @Ohlalalalala . I have to admire your persistence with these threads. I read them all but seeing the same posters (and a few others ) constantly trying to derail threads by attempting to dehumanise Palestinians shows them for who they really are. Instead of gathering support for their own cause they have the opposite effect.
Irish people can empathise with the Palestinian people. There are very strong bonds even today, for example between the Bloody Sunday families in Derry and Palestinians.
During An Gorta Mór over a million people died from starvation while over 2 million were forced to leave Ireland. There are reminders of that all over Ireland with abandoned villages and small houses... The land was 'grabbed' throughout Irish history by big landlords some of whose descendants, admittedly few, still remain to this day. So there is a common bond even though some might try to deny it.

Yes that’s true but I’m writing with a mainly English audience and wanted to make sure it was clear I was talking about the south of Ireland!!!
oh ffs 🤦‍♀️

"The North" and "The South" but never Southern Ireland.

No - I’m not twisting anything. Read the comments I was responding to. I didn’t bring up WW2

Your twisting what happened to suit your own narrative. I’m sure people can look up what happened and why. But WW2 has got nothing to do with Ireland’s support for the people of Palestine now.

Why do you say that? I see very little sentiment here in Ireland linking Hamas with the IRA and freedom fighting. There’s a bit more of it in the north.

Seriously!!!! My mother is from the north and my dad from the south . People from “ the North” refer to “ the South” and vice versa.

You might want to check with Irish people living in Ireland before you go lauding Clare Daly as representative of our opinions. Oh and Leo will open Shannon to US troops when the US demand - it is a term of our relationship with the US. 100,000 people marching against the war in Iraq did not stop them giving the US military full and free access. Why on earth do you think there is a full transatlantic hub in the West of Ireland 🤔

I won’t post anything else - I know how this goes.

Marcus Aurelius “The opinion of 10,000 men is of no value if none of them know anything about the subject.”
Go raibh maith agat

It’s not offensive- it’s true. Ireland was on the wrong side of history at that point. (understandable since they had internal problems of their own)
De Valera was a right wing extremist who send condolences to Germany on Hitler’s death. So yes - I’m grateful for the role Britain played in defeating Hitler and not proud of the role my parents’ country’s government played.

Im not sure ANY country is in solid ground playing the “ virtue signalling victim ” game .
The conflict after WW2 was in Northern Ireland - not the South -and I agree Britain has little to be proud of in that history. But that doesn’t make the Irish Government right. Unfortunately there are too many Irish who link Hamas with Sinn Feinn / IRA and see them as freedom fighters. It’s disgraceful.

Seriously!!! please, please open a history book or even Google.
Oh and there's no place called Southern Ireland unless you meant Cork.

It’s easy for the Irish to empathise with the Palestinian people because of our history. Even the dehumanisation of Palestinian’s is so relatable as the British government portrayed Irish people as uncivilised and sub human in order to justify starving them and throwing them out of their homes.

of course it was long ago and you’d like to think we’d moved on from that. Unbelievable that it happens still today.

Inflammatory and misleading . Most Southern Irish have no experience at all of murdering neighbours. It’s those in the north who have experienced this - on both sides of the divide. Thankfully most people of goodwill have worked very hard to put that dreadful era into the past.

@Silence1 Don't feel the need to stop posting, just ignore the attempts to derail. 🙂

Fantastic Ireland, well done!

Bravo Ireland. I have been really impressed with their stand against Israeli govt barbarity.

This comment is offensive imo.

Imagine if.....
with Britain's colonial track record I really wouldn't recommend starting that game. Most obvious response is imagine if Britain never took control of Ireland we would always have been free, and if you hadn't noticed there was conflict on the island of Ireland for decades after WW2 so what exactly are we meant to be grateful to Britain for?

Do the math- the new republic had a population of 2.9 million of whom 50,000 fought without conscription. Do you think the country had guns , bombs, tanks, naval vessels after 800 years of British rule? Your comment doesn’t make sense and seems an effort to discredit Ireland in its calls for ceasefire on humanitarian grounds. On the one hand you are intimating that the Irish Nation stood by as innocent Jewish people were
persecuted but you object to their calls for a cessation of the Gaza . They have also condemned Hamas and called for a release of the hostages in case that be forgotten.

Great to see a bit of Irish bashing is still tolerated on mumsnet 🙄

The Irish understand what it's like when your neighbour is murdering you.