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lavenderdillydilly · 19/11/2023 02:52

I just saw a video of a little girl in Gaza who was bombed with a white phosphorus containing bomb by Israel. The surface of her entire face was burnt off so that no features remained. There were no eyes, nose or mouth... it looked like brown crumbly mud. It is the most horrifying thing I've ever seen. There is a journalist called shaunking on Instagram and he is documenting what is going on in Gaza. It's all over social media. I can't avoid it and I can't sleep because it's so upsetting. I literally feel like I need therapy.

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Toothyfruity · 19/11/2023 11:38

Jewelspun · 19/11/2023 11:36

Google crisis actors.

Oh for the love of God give it up.

Jewelspun · 19/11/2023 11:36

Google crisis actors.

Toothyfruity · 19/11/2023 11:33

CurlsnSunshinetime4tea · 19/11/2023 03:52

how to deal with these images and the information? first off by not looking and not searching.
by realizing you can no longer believe anything which you see or read online.
by focusing on your life and assisting others locally and demonstrating kindness to your neighbors.
it may sound naive to ignore but sadly this is what you need to do to maintain your own health. no good will come from you immersing yourself in this matter. and absolutely nothing you do will have any affect on any government action.

Yes you should bring an apple tart to your neighbour and ignore a genocide that your government is supporting. What a mad post! Also, about not believing anything you see online - do you not believe that the incident with this poor child happened?

I follow what's happening because it's too important not to. However I don't follow certain graphic accounts because I can't cope with the horrendous videos and like the OP, I found myself very upset and unable to sleep. But some accounts either post censored videos or have warnings so that you can skip things that are too much.

People on Instagram repost things. Flicking through stories can make it very difficult not to accidentally happen upon something upsetting. A doctor I'm friends with who has ties to Palestine posts a lot of useful information on the conflict, screenshots of tweets and news reports and some videos, some of which are graphic and occasionally her posts are hard to watch. But I still follow her because most of it is very informative. But then bombing civilian populations is graphic and hard to stomach. Ignoring it is just copping out.

I agree with previous posters who said you should do what you can to help - write to your MP, attend marches, link in with or donate to charities who work in Gaza. I'm doing these things and though it feels like nothing sometimes it's better than other solutions you were offered on this thread around being nice to your neighbours or looking up cat videos.

lemmein · 19/11/2023 11:13

Cantonet · 19/11/2023 10:45

You've done the right thing.
The absolute horror of this war is unimaginable. Please don't ignore what's happening in Palestine. It's easily done if you just follow Western media.
This will affect us in time and appears to be transforming world order. I would never have believed the sheer cruelty of Western powers before this happened. And the utter powerlessness of organisations like the United Nations & Who. The very thin veneer of 'civilisation' has been totally stripped away.

This!

I've seen similar videos and the amount of comments underneath celebrating the losses of innocent kids (or 'future terrorists', as they like to call them!) is truly disturbing.

This isn't a war we have no involvement in. Rishi-'we hope you win'-Sunak (and Starmer!) is actively supporting the bombing of hospitals/schools. The UK sells arms to Israel - parliament just a few days ago voted no to a ceasefire...yet people are too delicate to read the OPs description - she didn't post the video, she just wrote words.

lavenderdillydilly · 19/11/2023 11:04

Cantonet · 19/11/2023 10:45

You've done the right thing.
The absolute horror of this war is unimaginable. Please don't ignore what's happening in Palestine. It's easily done if you just follow Western media.
This will affect us in time and appears to be transforming world order. I would never have believed the sheer cruelty of Western powers before this happened. And the utter powerlessness of organisations like the United Nations & Who. The very thin veneer of 'civilisation' has been totally stripped away.

This is also something that I feel really naive about..

I would have said that I felt safe in the knowledge that things like the UN exist to keep peace etc. But they really do seem powerless.

I think I would have said US and the UK were superpowers of the world but they're very loud about it. I now feel like actually, somehow, Israel is perhaps the most powerful but in a far more sophisticated and subtle way. The US and UK love being loud about their power but they're not very smart about it. Anyway, I am really astonished that the powerful people of the world are doing nothing to step in and rescue these poor people.

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Cantonet · 19/11/2023 10:45

You've done the right thing.
The absolute horror of this war is unimaginable. Please don't ignore what's happening in Palestine. It's easily done if you just follow Western media.
This will affect us in time and appears to be transforming world order. I would never have believed the sheer cruelty of Western powers before this happened. And the utter powerlessness of organisations like the United Nations & Who. The very thin veneer of 'civilisation' has been totally stripped away.

Grimchmas · 19/11/2023 10:43

So what? If you find the group unique and useful for baby stuff, message the group asking that they either stop posting the sickening content or set up a seperate group for those who do want to share and see it. You do NOT need to tolerate upsetting images of children being harmed in a baby group for fucks sake, that's the very definition of a place that should be free from shit like that. It's not relevant to the purpose of the group.

The same goes for the work group. It's not about work, if they want to share it with colleagues who do want to watch shit like that then they set up a seperate group just for that and keep the main group to it's main purpose. I've left my work's WhatsApp group for far lesser crimes; I was sick of getting messages on it while I was on holiday.

You do not have to tolerate people sending you traumatising videos.

lemmein · 19/11/2023 10:39

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lavenderdillydilly · 19/11/2023 10:36

Grimchmas · 19/11/2023 10:32

Why the F are you in WhatsApp groups with people who share this stuff? That's NOT normal. Message anybody who is sending that shit to cut it the hell out immediately, and leave and block if they continue.

It's trauma and grief fondling.

It's my baby group and group at work. They're pre-existing groups that people are sharing these things.

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Grimchmas · 19/11/2023 10:35

lemmein · 19/11/2023 10:33

Don't apologise, you did nothing wrong. If people want a sanitised view of the war they should stick to Newsround!

We want a content warning on a mumsnet thread, that's all.

Traumatising ourselves over the atrocities does nothing to help anybody.

lavenderdillydilly · 19/11/2023 10:34

Grimchmas · 19/11/2023 10:29

PLEASE put a content warning in the title and add a question mark. I opened with trepidation thinking it might contain some advice for how to process of you had accidentally seen upsetting images. I wasn't expecting a graphic description.

As for advice - unfollow the problem accounts, and put some time and effort into searching for cute cat memes to adjust your algorythm. What good does traumatising yourself do?

Sorry I've reported the post and asked MN to edit the title.

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lemmein · 19/11/2023 10:33

lavenderdillydilly · 19/11/2023 10:22

I'm so sorry for the description. I was really upset when I wrote it and didn't think. I'm really struggling with the reality of it all. I feel extremely privileged we're in this country.

But they are just children. I don't understand why the world's governments aren't doing anything. We welcomed ukranians into our homes when they went through much less.

Don't apologise, you did nothing wrong. If people want a sanitised view of the war they should stick to Newsround!

violetcuriosity · 19/11/2023 10:32

lavenderdillydilly · 19/11/2023 10:22

I'm so sorry for the description. I was really upset when I wrote it and didn't think. I'm really struggling with the reality of it all. I feel extremely privileged we're in this country.

But they are just children. I don't understand why the world's governments aren't doing anything. We welcomed ukranians into our homes when they went through much less.

It truly is awful. Channel these feelings into looking properly into what you can do to help, let that shock and rage compel you to take action. Are you writing to your MP daily calling for ceasefire? Have you donated to the places that can access Gaza? You are allowed to censor these horrific images though, yes there is an element of privilege within that but you're also only human.

Grimchmas · 19/11/2023 10:32

Why the F are you in WhatsApp groups with people who share this stuff? That's NOT normal. Message anybody who is sending that shit to cut it the hell out immediately, and leave and block if they continue.

It's trauma and grief fondling.

Grimchmas · 19/11/2023 10:29

PLEASE put a content warning in the title and add a question mark. I opened with trepidation thinking it might contain some advice for how to process of you had accidentally seen upsetting images. I wasn't expecting a graphic description.

As for advice - unfollow the problem accounts, and put some time and effort into searching for cute cat memes to adjust your algorythm. What good does traumatising yourself do?

lavenderdillydilly · 19/11/2023 10:26

LunaMay · 19/11/2023 03:41

Funny how I've managed to avoid these videos. Stop pretending you haven't been looking and getting off on others misery from the safety of your lounge.

I haven't been seeking it out at all. The people I know have shared them. They're in my WhatsApp groups and Instagram. I think it's hideous to say that I've been "getting off on others misery". Absolutely hideous. There are such disturbing things happening. You'd be a psychopath to get pleasure out of it. What a nasty thing to say. There are some soul destroying things happening to the most vulnerable and innocent in our society. Nobody is getting any pleasure out of it. And if they are, they need to be sectioned.

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TooOldForThisNonsense · 19/11/2023 10:24

You can avoid it, I’ve not seen any videos showing those horrors.

lavenderdillydilly · 19/11/2023 10:22

I'm so sorry for the description. I was really upset when I wrote it and didn't think. I'm really struggling with the reality of it all. I feel extremely privileged we're in this country.

But they are just children. I don't understand why the world's governments aren't doing anything. We welcomed ukranians into our homes when they went through much less.

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lemmein · 19/11/2023 09:51

This thread is the epitome of western privilege. Asking for trigger warnings because you had the trauma of reading about a little girl's fatal injuries?

What do you need a trigger warning for? Is it bringing back memories of your own child's face being blown off by Israeli missiles? 🙄

I think these images should be shown on news channels; as horrific as they are people need to see what our country is supporting.

violetcuriosity · 19/11/2023 06:54

Please put a trigger warning on this.

CopperLion · 19/11/2023 06:44

I’m sorry you’ve experienced this OP but you need to put a content warning in your title. I just read your description without expecting anything so graphic and it doesn’t help for others to have the same shock without being able to mentally prepare.

THisbackwithavengeance · 19/11/2023 06:44

CurlsnSunshinetime4tea · 19/11/2023 03:52

how to deal with these images and the information? first off by not looking and not searching.
by realizing you can no longer believe anything which you see or read online.
by focusing on your life and assisting others locally and demonstrating kindness to your neighbors.
it may sound naive to ignore but sadly this is what you need to do to maintain your own health. no good will come from you immersing yourself in this matter. and absolutely nothing you do will have any affect on any government action.

This.

TheWayTheLightFalls · 19/11/2023 06:40

Shaun King is not who you want for reasonable fact-checked reporting OP.

Struggggggling · 19/11/2023 06:09

It is really hard to look at, I've struggled with images and videos I've seen, for me it is important to see so that I don't dehumanise the people suffering into blank numbers or stats and also because the typical news channels aren't truly showcasing what is happening in Gaza (as they aren't allowed into Gaza without IDF approval and can't broadcast without the IDF approving footage) what has helped me is taking a step back and thinking of things I can do to help, eg writing to my mp or educating myself on the history and culture of the Palestinian people.

Also, following Gazans like Motaz or Plestia who show moments where people have tried to bring glimpses of light into this dark time (such as a video of children using a missile crater as a slide or finding relief playing with stray cats) has really showcased the strength of the Palestinian people and the hope that they have for life. They truly are a resilient people.

CurlsnSunshinetime4tea · 19/11/2023 03:52

how to deal with these images and the information? first off by not looking and not searching.
by realizing you can no longer believe anything which you see or read online.
by focusing on your life and assisting others locally and demonstrating kindness to your neighbors.
it may sound naive to ignore but sadly this is what you need to do to maintain your own health. no good will come from you immersing yourself in this matter. and absolutely nothing you do will have any affect on any government action.