The JC: Sacha Baron Cohen says ‘Tiktok is creating the biggest antisemitic movement since the Nazis‘

@Trulywonderful Ah yes, the 'as a Jew' crowd. And I think they're a group who can be subdivided further - the 'Walker' types who don't do Islamophobia as such but are just massively antisemitic usually making us out to be shadowy liars (I'm sure you know who I mean and I've actually seen a few posters and thought "is that her?). Their whole raison d'etre is to make the Jewish community look bad, as you say.

There is a third type. The third are people that say they are Jewish but are not. Possibly they have a Jewish relative somewhere in their bloodline. However they come on and lie about being Jewish then start being islamophobic and generally anything to make the Jewish community look bad

You can normally spot these posters as new users and they know nothing about Jewish people apart from the holocaust.

Even on mumsnet, from posters who come on here and say they are not Jewish but want to support Jewish people.

@Parkingt111 I've seen them do this too and I can assure you they are not doing so in my name, and I'm sure the majority of Jewish posters on here would say the same.

The second are those who seem to support because they percieve that they and the Jewish people have a common enemy. The Muslims.

Yes. It's frustrating actually. The Muslim friends I have I've actually always felt pretty close to, possibly because we grew up with a shared common threat - white Christians. We grew up always on our guard because of this, it's a shared understanding and fear. Because every single incident of antisemitism I've encountered personally (offline) has always been from a white Christian. What I'm seeing more recently is not the case however, but as others have said on here, as Jews and Muslims I firmly believe we have more in common than many recognise.

I would also add that I have seen a rise in islamophobia after the attacks too. Thankfully not something I have personally experienced in relation to this war in real life but more online.

Even on mumsnet, from posters who come on here and say they are not Jewish but want to support Jewish people.
From observing these posters they tend to be in two categories.
The first are those who are genuinely upset and want to show their support.
The second are those who seem to support because they percieve that they and the Jewish people have a common enemy. The Muslims.
It's something quite fascinating to see at times how the posts start off and within a day or two or sometimes even an hour or two the islamophobia comes out. Credit where its due some posters do call it out

What that is you

That is hilarious you are right

Hello hope you are well. You mentioned you were going to look for the report of schools not teaching about the holocaust to Muslims in the UK to avoid controversy so I have had a look myself and the only thing I could find was what @etmoiandme mentioned how it was reported and proven to be a hoax

I just wanted to add that I did say I was taught about it but briefly. I went to a state school with majority Muslim students. To be honest most of the parents at the time were probably engaged with more worrying issues like poverty, trying to make ends meet and then the aftermath of 9/11 on Muslims than try and police the schools history lessons but that was just my experience.

I have been reading the other threads and I don't always comment. Because of my fierce pro Palestinian stance i know my presence is not always welcome on some threads like the placard one so I tend to avoid it.

But from what I have read, even without looking at statistics its clear to me that anti semitism is on the rise and many Jewish people do not feel safe. Alot of what posters have said draw scary parallels to what many muslims suffered and felt like after 9/11 so I fully believe it and i would hope that at times abit more empathy is shown simply because we know what it feels like to be blamed for something simply by association of faith/race

Sometimes this happens because as a PP said we live on our own echo bubbles. Our social media feed only shows us the content we often want to see. If you had asked me my view on certain things a month ago and now, some would now be different. Only because of what I read from some Jewish posters on here who has helped me to see things from a Jewish person's perspective. I'm sure I still have many views and stances that yourself and others would disagree with but in a conflict like this that is probably expected

That’s so funny because I also use …T………………world🤣🤣👏

TikTok is nothing more than a spy tool for China. Who on earth uses it as a trusted news resource?

FourCandlesNotForkHandles

My husband would love your username

It’s not just a case of it was in the UKs own interest to do so. The UK did exactly the same to others. Non British and people of certain religions. Look, for example, at how the Catholics were treated both here and in Ireland, they were banned from owning land, businesses ( even wearing green for god's sake ) and until very very recently holding high office here in the U.K. Tony Blair only converted after he left office.

Back in the 30s and 40s it was really not unusual to heavily discriminate against other people. It’s not just therefore about personal interests.

Trulywonderful wrote
Yes. I believe most countries didn't realise what Hitler intended for the Jews in the beginning.

Whilst most countries may not have forseen the obscene extent to which he would go, they were certainly aware of the discrimination and antisemitism he was pursuing from as early as 1934. From then, Jews were not allowed to hold places of high public office and their numbers were restricted in universities and schools. And all that was before the grotesque Nuremburg laws of 1935 which restricted the rights of Jews even more. In the UK we knew all this was happening, but because Germany was a bulwark against the despised communism of Russia, it was forgiven. There were many Nazi sympathisers in the UK, and to be counted amongst these were certain members of the royal family.

So to say that we didn't know it was happening is untrue. The UK did know, it simply chose to do little or nothing about it because it was in our interests not to.

It was an amended plan after the first wasn't going to work. Three different plans at least were put through. Israel accepted the second and the Arabs didn't.
They also accepted the third plan which the Arabs didn't

Is it these? (From the article I linked earlier)

“In April 1947, exhausted by World War Two
and increasingly intent upon withdrawing from the region, Britain referred the issue of Palestine to the UN.
To investigate a suitable course of action, the UN formed the UN Special Committee on Palestine (UNSCOP), an inquiry committee made up of members from 11 countries. Ultimately, UNSCOP delivered two proposals: that of the majority, which recommended two separate states joined economically, and that of the minority, which supported the formation of a single binational state made up of autonomous Jewish and Palestinian areas. The Jewish community approved of the first of these proposals, while the Arabs opposed them both. A counterproposal—including a provision that only those Jews who had arrived before the Balfour Declaration and their descendents) would be citizens of the state—did not win Jewish favour”

It doesn’t seem to indicate any plan for all of Palestine to be given to the Jewish people and the Palestinians to go to Jordon. In fact I’m not sure what Jordon had to do with it? I don’t think the Zionists ever laid claim to that?

Agree with @Trulywonderful
Also it's not really surprising that Tiktok is a hotbed of hate speech. TTand twitter/X serve largely as a space for hate filled people imo.

Jewish people here in Britain took to the streets in protest. To ask the government to help the Jewish people in Poland at the beginning. Also for Jewish people to be allowed entry into Britain.

Despite what some think most Jewish people believe strongly in the right to protest and free speech. We are only saying can some of the protesters for Gazens please stop using antisemitisc words, chants and phrases. Also can some stop throwing fireworks or doing anything else antisocial or that intimates others. We are not saying they don't have a right to march if they feel strongly about the situation.

Every year politicians pat the UK on the back during Holocaust Remembrance. However what they fail to acknowledge or don't know is that even the kindertransport plan that ended up saving ten thousand Jewish children was at first refused permission.

And only allowed kids. They could have chosen to save adults too.

Just watched the LBC clip. It’s really mind boggling how that woman just refuses to answer such a simple question.

Yes. I believe most countries didn't realise what Hitler intended for the Jews in the beginning. I mean Hitler didn't even finalise his plans at the start himself. However once rumours and news about what was happening started the British took a time to accept Jewish refugees.

Every year politicians pat the UK on the back during Holocaust Remembrance. However what they fail to acknowledge or don't know is that even the kindertransport plan that ended up saving ten thousand Jewish children was at first refused permission. It was only when Jewish organisations and people guaranteed they would finance the plan and house the children themselves that it was given permission.

It is on record that even the British forces on Mandate of Palestine actually fired upon a ship of Jewish refugees during the war. It made them return to Europe.

Going back to this for a moment

It was an amended plan after the first wasn't going to work. Three different plans at least were put through. Israel accepted the second and the Arabs didn't.
They also accepted the third plan which the Arabs didn't

I assume the amended plan (the map for the 2 state solution I posted) was the second plan. But what was the first and the third?

A lot of middle eastern state have moved on yes. Whereas Turkey seems to be going backwards slowly since Erdogan. When my father lived there it was such an open and good place to be Jewish. Now the government has made it is feel uncomfortable for Jewish residents. Most the citizens are still lovely though

Even at the start of world war 2 Britain and many other countries were not allowing Jewish refugees fleeing Hitler. They literally turned boats away and sent the Jews back.

Yes that’s what I was thinking when I put the blame on the Europeans (rather than just the Nazis) in an earlier post. The other country’s did very little to protect the Jewish populations at the time.

I think in some Arab countries that is not the antiquated system we are led to believe.

Quite and the poster who immediately Jumped on my point actually proved my point.

Yes anyone not Muslim living in an Islamic country is dhimmi status. We were talking about Jewish people so I was explaining what it was like for Jewish people not Christians. It was Jewish people that got the rough end of the stick most with the ethic cleansing thing in Arab countries though. Particularly because the middle eastern Jews had nowhere to flee too before Israel was declared a state. They could try and go to the west if they could afford ot but as refugees were not always allowed or excepted. The British for a start had often blocked Jewish refugees access. Even at the start of world war 2 Britain and many other countries were not allowing Jewish refugees fleeing Hitler. They literally turned boats away and sent the Jews back.

Also a middle eastern Jewish person living in a Muslim run person was thought of as dhimmi. A second classed citizen that pays more taxes. That often was only allowed to own certain businesses or do certain jobs (something that happened in Europe over the years too).

To be fair it the concept of Dhimmi did not just apply to Jewish people but Christian’s as well as some other groups. From what I’ve read the levels of antisemitism in the Middle East has gotten worse not better over the last hundred years.

Not that I’m trying to claim it was all rosy. It was interesting to read about the Jaffa deportations in 1917 as that sounds similar to what happened to the Palestinians in 1948.

It was an amended plan after the first wasn't going to work. Three different plans at least were put through. Israel accepted the second and the Arabs didn't.

They also accepted the third plan which the Arabs didn't.