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youngones1 · 18/11/2023 17:24

feralunderclass · 18/11/2023 16:51

Very surprised SBC is highlighting anything about antisemitism, does anyone remember him singing "throw the Jews in the well"?! He's certainly done his bit for antisemitism.

He can say it, but no one else can!

BeggyMitchell · 18/11/2023 17:22

noblegiraffe · 18/11/2023 17:20

Particularly a Jewish satirical comedian.

Unless you think he wants himself thrown in a well?

Lol.

backtowinter · 18/11/2023 17:21

feralunderclass · 18/11/2023 16:51

Very surprised SBC is highlighting anything about antisemitism, does anyone remember him singing "throw the Jews in the well"?! He's certainly done his bit for antisemitism.

Wasn't that........acting?

noblegiraffe · 18/11/2023 17:20

Particularly a Jewish satirical comedian.

Unless you think he wants himself thrown in a well?

BeggyMitchell · 18/11/2023 17:18

Anyone with a brain can see it was satire from a comedian whose job it is to be satirical.

I genuinely feel sorry for anyone that took it literally. For many reasons.

Stomacharmeleon · 18/11/2023 17:18

@feralunderclass that's kind of what satire is....

Noicant · 18/11/2023 17:17

feralunderclass · 18/11/2023 17:14

Oh as long as it's satire it's OK to promote antisemitism? I only heard of the song as everyone in school was singing it. So they were just being satirical? The irony of him saying Hamas grew up seeing images and that's what made them hateful 🙄

It’s not promoting anti-semitism, satire mocks the prejudice.

feralunderclass · 18/11/2023 17:14

BeggyMitchell · 18/11/2023 17:07

Do you understand satire ?

He was playing 'Borat'

I truly hope for everyone's sake you didn't take it literally.

Oh as long as it's satire it's OK to promote antisemitism? I only heard of the song as everyone in school was singing it. So they were just being satirical? The irony of him saying Hamas grew up seeing images and that's what made them hateful 🙄

MrsSkylerWhite · 18/11/2023 17:13

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This sounds like a justification of the hateful rise of antisemitism, equating ordinary Jewish people worldwide with the actions of the Israeli government. So it’s perfectly okay to target Jewish people and spread antisemitic tropes then?”

Exactly the same as equating ordinary Palestinians with the actions of Hamas.

BeggyMitchell · 18/11/2023 17:10

Just in case.

The JC: Sacha Baron Cohen says ‘Tiktok is creating the biggest antisemitic movement since the Nazis‘
BeggyMitchell · 18/11/2023 17:07

feralunderclass · 18/11/2023 16:51

Very surprised SBC is highlighting anything about antisemitism, does anyone remember him singing "throw the Jews in the well"?! He's certainly done his bit for antisemitism.

Do you understand satire ?

He was playing 'Borat'

I truly hope for everyone's sake you didn't take it literally.

feralunderclass · 18/11/2023 16:51

Very surprised SBC is highlighting anything about antisemitism, does anyone remember him singing "throw the Jews in the well"?! He's certainly done his bit for antisemitism.

PerkingFaintly · 18/11/2023 16:35

Also happening on Xwitter:

It comes after X owner Elon Musk amplified an antisemitic trope on the platform formerly known as Twitter.
The boycott has also been picking up steam in the wake of an investigation by a US group which flagged ads appearing next to pro-Nazi posts on X.
Mr Musk has denied his post was antisemitic and has threatened to sue over the advertising investigation.
Left-leaning pressure group Media Matters for America said it had identified ads bought by high-profile firms next to posts including Hitler quotes, praise of Nazis and Holocaust denial.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67460386

Elon Musk

X ad boycott gathers pace amid antisemitism storm

US firms, including Apple and Disney, are reportedly suspending ads on the Elon Musk-owned site.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67460386

Happyvalleyfan · 18/11/2023 16:11

AllWeAreSaying · 18/11/2023 12:59

This sounds like a justification of the hateful rise of antisemitism, equating ordinary Jewish people worldwide with the actions of the Israeli government. So it’s perfectly okay to target Jewish people and spread antisemitic tropes then?

You are absolutely right- Jewish people,
particularly those living out of Israel, should not be held responsible for the acts of the Israeli government.

But the acts of the Israeli government is influencing how people view the state of Israel and is an excuse for some to be anti-semitic.

But I don’t think the Israeli government really cares what Joe Public thinks of them? Only when USA voters stop supporting their actions AND influence their politicians will they care.

noblegiraffe · 18/11/2023 15:52

I think it's true to an extent that if there was a ceasefire the rise in visible antisemitism would calm down because there wouldn't be opportunities every week for antisemites to unpack their swastika signs and go for a walk through town. And there wouldn't be so many threads on MN for them to post antisemitism on.

It wouldn't cure the background level which would be there just waiting for the next outing.

mixgoal · 18/11/2023 15:40

Totalityaddict · 18/11/2023 15:29

I was responding to another poster who said everything would settle down if there were a ceasefire.
Oct 7th showed that is not true.

The poster was blaming the rise of antisemitism on Israel and seemed to think that if there was a ceasefire, the antisemitism would stop. Which is laughable. The kind of people who grafitti Jewish schools and shout kill the Jews in the middle of a train station aren't just going to think "there's a ceasefire, I don't hate Jewish people anymore".

Totalityaddict · 18/11/2023 15:29

MorrisZapp · 18/11/2023 15:02

There needs to be another ceasefire, to prevent a catastrophic humanitarian crisis.

I was responding to another poster who said everything would settle down if there were a ceasefire.
Oct 7th showed that is not true.

PerkingFaintly · 18/11/2023 15:22

I've seen the Russian modus operandi described as slipping a knife into any available crack in society, and wiggling.

They may not yet have decided on specific aims regarding Israel-Palestine, but it's certainly an opportunity to wiggle the knife.

They will undoubtedly be up to similar on Tik Tok and every platform they have access to. And as PP have said, there will be plenty of other parties pulling the same shit.

Loulou599 · 18/11/2023 15:19

@PerkingFaintly
Thank you for finding an English version, yes it's quite fascinating. I can't believe the lengths they could go to to sow disinformation. I wonder if this actually works to their advantage as a technique, it must do as these kinds of operations must be very complicated and labour intensive to execute

Reallifelurker · 18/11/2023 15:19

Some criticism is fine though, right?
Lol

It’s not at all the same as trying to close the conversation down entirely.
How do you close an online conversation down? You can go off on tangents like this one but if loads of people want to come onto this thread and discuss the OP how do you imagine I can stop them?

threecupsofteaminimum · 18/11/2023 15:16

Anyone who uses TikTok as news or information source needs help.

These platforms are rotting the core of societal morality, not that it was great to start with...

PerkingFaintly · 18/11/2023 15:15

Yes, the blue stars of David in France is a strange one - but in its way very revealing.

While politicians made comparisons with Nazi-era graffiti to "out" Jews in their homes, investigators pointed out the Stars of David were randomly distributed, with no obvious Jewish connection in the choice of buildings.
Also the message in the medium was confusing. Conceivably a blue Israeli flag, or what immediately evokes it, could be seen as a pro-Jewish sign. Surely any genuine antisemite would have found a clearer way of expressing their hate.
Having caught and questioned two Moldovan nationals in connection with the first wave of stencils, French police and intelligence services now suspect the operation may be a classic piece of Russian dezinformatsiya(disinformation).
[...]
According to Le Monde newspaper, the graffiti operation is linked to a longstanding Russian propaganda network known as Doppelgänger.
In June Le Monde wrote a series of articles about Doppelgänger, which it said used computer bots to deluge social media with fake news postings. At the time the main purpose was to undermine faith in Western policy on Ukraine.
According to Le Monde, both couples who stencilled the Star of David graffiti were accompanied by a photographer whose job was to put the images straightaway online. The newspaper says the images first appeared only on accounts linked to the Doppelgänger network.
[...]
As for the purpose of Operation Star of David, like all dezinformatsiya it seems to have been to sow confusion and anxiety. The fact that the symbol could be either pro- or anti-Israeli made it all the more interesting: that way both sides would be suspicious.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67360768

A woman walks past a building tagged with Stars of David in Paris

Star of David graffiti in Paris - the Russian connection

Around 250 blue Stars of David - similar to the one on the Israeli flag - appeared on Paris buildings.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67360768

Iwantcakeeveryday · 18/11/2023 15:07

Yes, he is right. Its scary to watch this happening

AllWeAreSaying · 18/11/2023 15:07

Nah, I think those examples you give would still be criticised if anyone actually posted them.

Some criticism is fine though, right? It can be a healthy way to further the discussion, it’s not at all the same as trying to close the conversation down entirely.

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Loulou599 · 18/11/2023 15:06

I think if Hamas gave back the hostages there would be a ceasefire