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Documenting Israeli army racism and torture

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Desertrose2023 · 15/11/2023 04:25

this thread is to document the racist, criminal and dehumanizing behaviour by the most “moral army in the world” both during its most recent bombardment of Gaza and across decades of military occupation in the West Bank.

to start, here is a video of Israeli soldiers chanting they will turn Gazans into Kebabs.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Czjm8bYu-_X/?igshid=MXB0Yzl2NDFpcWx5aQ==

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https://www.instagram.com/reel/Czjm8bYu-_X/?igshid=MXB0Yzl2NDFpcWx5aQ==

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ChickHenLittle · 15/11/2023 18:05

Alcemeg · 15/11/2023 18:01

Gosh, imagine the hell of being forced to listen to a children's song for hours. I can't think of anything worse...

Why don't you go and start a thread with videos of Hamas abusing innocent civilians and children? Or maybe you can't as no such videos exist?

Seriously?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
I think if "we" (i.e. anyone who thinks Israel has a point, versus Hamas) were to have the sick lack of respect for humanity to post what they have done, you would retch.
Except that you wouldn't even watch it
And even if you did, you'd deny it.

What exactly is going on here?

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Your first statement - it's a form of torture. Listening to the same thing over and over against your will, will eventually drive you insane.
Also, it isn't like they're listening to a song at a tea party, they're being forced by their oppressors who don't have a great human rights record.

Thereissomelight · 15/11/2023 18:04

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Alcemeg · 15/11/2023 18:01

Desertrose2023 · 15/11/2023 05:11

More Israeli soldiers torturing Palestinians blindfolding them and forcing them to hold Israeli flags and listen to the same song for hours

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzJ8l8drygg/?igshid=MTN6Y3U1bHRoNnVzdA==

Gosh, imagine the hell of being forced to listen to a children's song for hours. I can't think of anything worse...

Why don't you go and start a thread with videos of Hamas abusing innocent civilians and children? Or maybe you can't as no such videos exist?

Seriously?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
I think if "we" (i.e. anyone who thinks Israel has a point, versus Hamas) were to have the sick lack of respect for humanity to post what they have done, you would retch.
Except that you wouldn't even watch it
And even if you did, you'd deny it.

What exactly is going on here?

Creatingusernamesismygame · 15/11/2023 17:59

Queucumber · 15/11/2023 17:48

You’re asking me to post links on MN of women being raped? Seriously? What kind of creature are you?

You have obviously seen these video yourself haven’t you? Does that make you a monster/creature? Was it another board that they were sent to you on? Tik tok? Watsapp? Regardless someone sent you the link and you have watched them.

Creatingusernamesismygame · 15/11/2023 17:55

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andmeandmeandme · 15/11/2023 17:54

Absolute ghouls on here

Queucumber · 15/11/2023 17:48

You’re asking me to post links on MN of women being raped? Seriously? What kind of creature are you?

Creatingusernamesismygame · 15/11/2023 17:46

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Queucumber · 15/11/2023 17:37

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Hamas filmed themselves raping women and posted it online. They murdered an old woman and posted video of it on the women’s own Facebook account.

You are denying atrocities.

upinaballoon · 15/11/2023 17:29

feralunderclass · 15/11/2023 17:10

There's a lot of hatred from many Israelis towards the ultra-orthodox/Haredim. They are exempt from fighting in IDF and receive a government stipend for 'learning', or not working as many people see it.

I've been to Israel and the second time the holiday courier did point out that there is a tension about some very orthodox Jews 'not having to work while others do'. This government stipend - how long has it existed? Could it be rescinded by a future Israeli government?

forthesakeofsanity · 15/11/2023 17:24

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feralunderclass · 15/11/2023 17:13

Brumbies · 15/11/2023 17:05

Has anyone here even been to Israel? Had to rush into a shelter as Hamas rockets land nearby?

This is such a bizarre thing to even write, but having a bomb shelter and 'safe rooms' are such a privilege considering what is going on. Have you thought about those sheltering in a HOSPITAL after their house has been bombed, only for soldiers to storm it and start shooting?

OuiOuiKitty · 15/11/2023 17:10

Brumbies · 15/11/2023 17:05

Has anyone here even been to Israel? Had to rush into a shelter as Hamas rockets land nearby?

No. I've never been to gaza where bombs drop on houses and crush or burn everyone death either. If I had to pick which one I would rather experience I know which one I'd pick though.

feralunderclass · 15/11/2023 17:10

FOJN · 15/11/2023 15:28

That's entirely possible but they also looked very afraid. I was surprised at how violent the IDF were to Jewish people who were not posing any threat. I previously thought the violence was reserved for Palestinians.

There's a lot of hatred from many Israelis towards the ultra-orthodox/Haredim. They are exempt from fighting in IDF and receive a government stipend for 'learning', or not working as many people see it.

Brumbies · 15/11/2023 17:05

Has anyone here even been to Israel? Had to rush into a shelter as Hamas rockets land nearby?

FOJN · 15/11/2023 15:28

JSMill · 15/11/2023 13:35

I was wondering if their passive reaction was also because orthodox Jews are quite calm and peaceful people.

That's entirely possible but they also looked very afraid. I was surprised at how violent the IDF were to Jewish people who were not posing any threat. I previously thought the violence was reserved for Palestinians.

Bigminnie1 · 15/11/2023 14:10

PinkTeaForMe · 15/11/2023 07:34

I'm surprised this thread hasn't been deleted yet. Can't be having anyone criticising Israel on MN...

Is that a joke? Because all I see is criticism of Israel.

JSMill · 15/11/2023 13:35

FOJN · 15/11/2023 11:34

I saw the footage of the Jewish man in the West Bank being attacked by an IDF soldier. It started with a soldier kicking another Jewish mans feet out from under him. I was struck by how frightened the other men in the group looked and despite being horrified and upset by the violence most did not try to protect or defend the man on the ground. It seemed to me that they knew nothing good would come of trying because they'd seen it all before.

I was wondering if their passive reaction was also because orthodox Jews are quite calm and peaceful people.

ChickHenLittle · 15/11/2023 12:39

stormy4319trevor · 15/11/2023 12:36

Thanks @ChickHenLittle Sounds like Sunak overruled a vote, though I don't understand exactly how parliamentary systems work. Maybe SNP can push back.

I'm not completely sure myself, he certainly did during those PMQs, but I don't know if it can be pushed through with enough support.
One person, even if they are the PM, shouldn't be allowed to veto such motions. He isn't who all of us voted for to represent us, a vote amongst all MPs would go some way to being fairer.

stormy4319trevor · 15/11/2023 12:36

Thanks @ChickHenLittle Sounds like Sunak overruled a vote, though I don't understand exactly how parliamentary systems work. Maybe SNP can push back.

ChickHenLittle · 15/11/2023 12:28

stormy4319trevor · 15/11/2023 12:25

Did they have the ceasefire vote that SNP tabled already?

An SNP MP said he should let the Commons decide if they should call for a ceasefire, but Sunak said they've made their stance clear and that they support Israel (I'm watching live). They won't ask for more than humanitarian pause. Another MP (SNP as well, I think), mentioned Gaza as well and again all Sunak would say was how Israel should be able to defend itself and they have the support of the UK.

stormy4319trevor · 15/11/2023 12:25

ChickHenLittle · 15/11/2023 12:17

There goes Sunak, saying he supports Israel and won't call for a ceasefire.
Sickening. Absolutely sickening. I wish he wouldn't do it in our name, can't he see that the majority DON'T support the Israeli government?

Did they have the ceasefire vote that SNP tabled already?

ChickHenLittle · 15/11/2023 12:17

There goes Sunak, saying he supports Israel and won't call for a ceasefire.
Sickening. Absolutely sickening. I wish he wouldn't do it in our name, can't he see that the majority DON'T support the Israeli government?

feralunderclass · 15/11/2023 11:52

Lovepeaceunderstanding · 15/11/2023 11:16

@orangegato , no they’re not interested in Jewish babies.

This is highly inflammatory, and obviously just intended to deflect discussion away from Palestinians. It is a well known tactic on here when atrocities against Palestinians are being discussed, that posters like you will throw in something about Jewish lives not mattering, when 1) no one even mentioned Jews and 2) it's a form of dehumanising Palestinian lives by constantly comparing them to Jewish people. They should be allowed to be mentioned without having to constantly talk about them within the context of Jewish people. I see this as a form of hasbara now, conflating Israelis with all Jewish people around the world.

Desertrose2023 · 15/11/2023 11:36

Lovepeaceunderstanding · 15/11/2023 11:16

@orangegato , no they’re not interested in Jewish babies.

That simply isn’t true. Why can’t pro-Israeli posters accept that standing up for Palestinian rights doesn’t have to be conflated with not caring about Jews, or hating them ?

I do care about Jewish babies, but right now Palestinian babies are being killed at the rate of 160 EVERY DAY by Israel. That’s aside from those who are being made orphans or who have been maimed or injured or left to deal with the psychological trauma of what they’ve witnessed.

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