Documenting Israeli army racism and torture

@Thereissomelight 100%! You can't condemn Hamas for what they have done and then turn round and say the IDF are justified.

What a weird thread this is. Do people really not know that Israel have shown over 45 minutes worth of footage of the attacks to an audience of journalists from around the world? There's ample evidence and eyewitness accounts of rapes, beheadings and various horrific tortures Hamas inflicted on their victims. Frankly it's at the point where continuing to discuss those details feels ghoulish and disrespectful, not to mention what's becoming a pattern of getting into debates about how exactly babies were killed. Anyone who sincerely cares to be informed, already knows this.

I don't doubt that some members of the IDF have done awful things at times too btw, not on the same level as the October 7th attack but that doesn't excuse anyone who abuses their position.

Absolutely, the IDF and Hamas are as bad as each other, lowest of the low.

These specific barbaric details have repeatedly been held up to the world as a reason why Hamas/Gazans are worse than vermin and animals and need to be destroyed.

The footage of Shani Louk was enough to convince me that Hamas are worse than vermin.

That’s absolutely horrific if it’s true. How do you know though if these videos are actually genuine, unless you have seen them yourself? I’ve never heard of any verified accounts of this happening. I know the murdering of 40 babies was proven to be lies. Clearly, Hamas are not innocent, they killed innocent civilians and must be bought to justice, however, a lot of stories were made up to make them look a lot more barbaric (not sure if that’s possible tbh)

Well no, there is plenty of video evidence of what is happening in Gaza. And would be more again if Israel would stop killing journalists and would allow international media to enter Gaza.

Thank you for the link. I read the article.

I have learnt about this in the last month. I don't think the government money amounts to much because I'm sure I read that there were high levels of poverty among some sections of the ultra-orthodox community.

Yes, I have. Does my name say it all? My username on anonymous forum? Oh my. You certainly come across as very intelligent.

Witness accounts. You’re saying the witnesses have form for lying? All those individuals? Or are you equating Israeli citizens with the Israeli state?

@ChickHenLittle Thank you!

@Queucumber because they have form for lying,thats the reason.

But I’d like to hear that an unbiased international professional person eg a medic or journalist, has seen such visual evidence. And as yet I have not.

Here you go. She's clearly a decent woman and hasn't given salacious detail but she has seen it.

https://twitter.com/PreetKGillMP/status/1724827072399396995

The biggest mistake Israel made after the Hamas attack was to turn inward. They chose not to bring in international investigators to document the horrors of what was done. It allows people to deny and minimise the nature of the atrocities.

Some people are very quick to deny witness accounts of what happened in Israel while automatically accepting witness accounts of what is happening in Gaza at face value. You might want to ask yourselves why that is.

Noise pollution, whilst being blindfolded is a common torture method that Israel use.

@stormy4319trevor from our earlier posts - there is a vote in the House of Commons tonight. Huge protest in Parliament Square and one in Birmingham. Let's hope they vote for a ceasefire and stop supporting the Israeli government against public will. 🤞🏼

https://twitter.com/i/status/1724843127414870298

There's a lot of hatred from many Israelis towards the ultra-orthodox/Haredim. They are exempt from fighting in IDF and receive a government stipend for 'learning', or not working as many people see it.
Israel is a more complex and much less homogeneous society than people realise. People came from all different parts of the world, with different backgrounds and beliefs. It's quite interesting. Some people would argue that it suits politicians like Netanyahu to foster conflict with their neighbours as fearing terrorism and war unites the country.

I think yes in future this could be a thing. Large sects within the ultra orthodox are also anti Zionist, so the general population feel why should they be financially supported when a) they are against the government and B) they aren't adding 'value'. There is also the worry of secular/liberals that Israel will become a religious state (areas where ultra orthodox dominate such as Bnei Brak do not allow men and women to walk on same side of street, shun most forms of modern communication, do not allow divorce or secular studies taught in schools). It is estimated that Haredim will make up 25% of the population by 2050.

Ultra orthodox will be 1 in 4 by 2050

At least one of the aforementioned claims has been backtracked on a lot, and believed to be fake as no reliable sources have been presented with credible evidence. Plus Israeli officials won't confirm it either.

No-one wants to see videos of course, but claims should be confirmed by unbiased, reliable sources.

Have you ever been to Gaza? The West Bank?
I assure you, they can't be compared.