Documenting Israeli army racism and torture

@Iwantcakeeveryday I was expressing that I wanted "innocent Palestinian hostages" to be released, not Hamas prisoners, as per the indicative wording of my post.

Sadly there are too many innocent Palestinians held in jail without charge, including many children and women. Innocent prisoners are treated horrifically, and tortured.

https://theintercept.com/2023/11/26/palestine-israel-prisoners/

More than two-thirds of the Palestinians proposed for release by Israel under the truce have not been convicted of any crimes. Most were arrested as children.

Sadly there are Hamas terrorists amongst the Israeli prisoner releases, as well as likely some innocent detainees. Their release makes it unsafe for everyone. I wish that all the children on both sides were never taken, but that they are all released now.

Tbf those concerns came from how Hamas dealt with the people that they didn't take hostage. They tortured, raped and murdered them. I think it's therefore a valid concern that they would not treat the ones who they had taken any better.

There are still lots of hostages that we don't know the condition of who haven't been released. We know some have been found dead. We know that they have handed the baby hostage to a different terrorist group rather than releasing him. And some of the stories coming out from the ones who have been released are not of the 'treated like queens' variety.

I read that the hostages are not allowed to speak about their experience "until they've received training". Not sure if that's true or not and can't recall where I read it. Yechoved (sp) spoke about her experience very briefly and then we never heard another word, her daughter said she was being silenced.

@Iwantcakeeveryday I think we agree then for the most part. I apologise if my post was badly worded though. And yes it's tragic all round for all hostages but also a joy that some have been released.

I just pray that the remaining Israeli hostages, and the innocent Palestinian hostages and detainees held in Israeli jails are also released.

Well I have read those too. Women have said they ate ok, less so towards the end when conditions changed, but they weren't beaten once there. I don't think they're being stopped from telling their stories if they wish to. Some will be too traumatised from the mental impact to speak of course. They weeren't all held together by the same people so it makes sense treatment would be different.

And no, no hostage being taken is ok.

@Iwantcakeeveryday our posts just crossed. I admit my wording was poor.

Some of them. A 12 year old being left alone and then forced to watch the massacre is not being treated 'reasonably'.

I think you are when you say this: they were treated ok

They were not treated ok. Israel don;t need to create a false narrative of Hamas, because what they've done and continue to do to the hostages is horrific as it is.

We are not "minimising" Hamas, simply postulating on why the captors stories are not being allowed to be released.

Massive difference.

why does that make it okay to minimise what Hamas have done to Israeli children though, which is what I was responding to.

@whatswrongwiththeworldddd exactly. IDF imprison so many innocent children, torture and imprison them without charge, and without legal counsel. They keep children in solitary confinement.

Neither what Hamas do or IDF is ok. Nobody is excusing it.

@Iwantcakeeveryday I don't think it's ok that they took children or anyone, and obviously what you describe is horrific. I'm just speculating why on the whole they were not allowed to speak up as a group. Not every hostage's experience is going to be the same. Different stories coming out - such as the woman at the beginning who wished her captors well etc. So I think it's a mixed bag in terms of how they were looked after (please note, even if they were well looked after this does not mitigate that they were taken in the first place). Maybe read through the prior comments, as that will give you some context for our discussion. Please note I do not condone Hamas, or the taking of hostages.

The IDF imprisoned without charge, kept and tortured children.

I find this distasteful. A 12 year old boy was kept alone for 16 days. he was forced to watch videos of the massacre on October 7th. The children were threatened with guns if they cried and still speak in whispers after release. They kidnapped and kept children.

www.instagram.com/p/C0NSvpTvPNf/?igshid=N2ViNmM2MDRjNw==

To be correct it hasn't been denounced by the woman who wrote it, it's her cousin or nephew. Even he didn't deny that she had written it.
Yesterday the daughter of an elderly hostage was speaking on R4. She was very happy obviously to get her mum back, said her mum was very positive and back to her laughing self and that there didn't appear to be any trauma as of yet. She also said hostages kept their spirits high by telling stories. The presenter then asked how the hostages were treated by Hamas and her tone immediately changed and she said "I'm not allowed to speak about this". The presenter asked if they had been forbidden by the Israeli government, and she just said again she couldn't say anything. If Hamas did treat them well there is no way that will be allowed to be spoken about.

Honestly, the graphic scenarios that some people had made up in their heads about what was happening to the hostages were pretty grim. I read them at the time and thought wtf is wrong with you that you spend your time making this shit up in your head. The reality of what is happening there is bad enough without people making up things and posting it across the internet to try and score points.

It could be true. I believe that many of the Israelis living in that part of Israel were peaceful types who had Palestinian friends. Their emotions must be very mixed right now.
Lots of very different types of people in Israel, all backgrounds, cultures and beliefs, probably more so than many countries of a similar population.