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WereNext · 14/11/2023 20:45

According to the Israeli PM. Do you believe this? And if you do, what's your background in geopolitics, level of education and religious belief. Does Hamas = Isis? Or are Hamas the equivalent of the mafia?

As much as I abhor the bombing in Gaza, is this realistic, that we protest and hope that we are not next?

And is the deterioration of western, Christian values a result of our vulnerabilities? Israel attacked, and Russia and China muscling us up on that and have taken their chances because we, the west, ARE weak. ??

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Lilacdressinggown · 14/11/2023 21:41

All I know is these terrible wars are always due to men -always men - wanting more power and land. They might claim other causes to try and justify themselves but the truth it’s it’s always men wanting power and land.

....and sometimes, but certainly not always, those men are encouraged by their women-folk.

queenofarles · 14/11/2023 21:56

Do you believe everything Netanyahu says? 🙄
its not a religious conquest you know, the route of this whole conflict is geopolitical , and the on going rift between Hamas and Fateh .

NotTerfNorCis · 14/11/2023 21:53

There is also the inconvenient fact that ISIS “literally views Hamas as apostates” because of its support from Shia Iran.

That settles that then.

NotTerfNorCis · 14/11/2023 21:51

There's an interesting article on the ideological differences between ISIS and Hamas here: https://time.com/6329776/hamas-isis-gaza/

Hamas are Palestinian nationalists with Shia support. ISIS want international Islamist domination, and are Sunni.

æterofax · 14/11/2023 21:47

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Oliotya · 14/11/2023 21:44

I don't think Hamas = ISIS. It's another terrorist faction, of which there are many. If we want to halt extremism in it's tracks, we need to start giving a shit about the people they are killing, torturing and raping all over the world, all the time. Western governments ignore it, because it happens to poor people in places in that don't "matter" - the acts of October 7th are far from unique. Sooner people realise this the better.

NotTerfNorCis · 14/11/2023 21:43

There are different types of Islamist. ISIS are exceptionally brutal, as well as being very open to slavery. I read that al-Qaeda were uncomfortable with ISIS, and didn't back them in Syria.

OuiOuiKitty · 14/11/2023 21:43

No. My background is common sense. It's something Israel are spewing to try and get the West to back their attempted genocide. This is about land, not religion, nor is it attempt to take over the world.

æterofax · 14/11/2023 21:42

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Lilacdressinggown · 14/11/2023 21:41

All I know is these terrible wars are always due to men -always men - wanting more power and land. They might claim other causes to try and justify themselves but the truth it’s it’s always men wanting power and land.

Humdingerydoo · 14/11/2023 21:35

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Great comeback 👍🏻 You're so wise. So witty.

æterofax · 14/11/2023 21:34

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Louloulouenna · 14/11/2023 21:30

Islamic terrorists have the West in their sights, not just Jewish people. There are constant Jihadi attacks all over the world which don’t involve Jews (and obviously many that do) . Particularly in Africa. These get nothing like the international coverage should.

Raincloudsonasunnyday · 14/11/2023 21:21

IF (if) Hamas does = ISIS, not all Muslims are the same. Obviously. ISIS doesn’t speak for all Muslims in the same way that the EDL doesn’t speak for all Brits.

Would YOU allow the EDL to take over your country? Or other countries? Probably not.

Entirely separate is the question of Netanyahu, who has other and many reasons for stoking the fire. Personally, I don’t even think he believes in Zionism on theological grounds.

Humdingerydoo · 14/11/2023 21:12

Once it becomes clear that taking hostages works, that it gets terrorists what they want and no one really cares as it can so easily be justified, there will definitely be more groups who do it. They might not be Hamas but they will have been inspired by them. Just like Hamas has been inspired by Isis in some of their actions.

Lamelie · 14/11/2023 21:09

I don’t know. I do know that Hamas definitely want an Islamic Caliphate but I don’t know how widespread support in the rest of the Arab and Muslim world is for them.

HermioneWeasley · 14/11/2023 21:06

Hamas absolutely are Isis. They have been very clear that they want an Islamic caliphate and they want Israel wiped off the map.

FarEast · 14/11/2023 20:54

I am old enough to remember the PLO hijacking aeroplanes. 9/11 didn’t come out of nowhere. The PLO and Hamas are evil.