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Reallifelurker · 15/11/2023 17:08

Then they stay where they are and get slaughtered by the IDF whilst the UN and the EC and the demonstrators and the rest of the world squeak ineffectual protests. Which is what’s happening and about to happen right now

I don’t suppose there’s any chance the IDF could, y’know, NOT slaughter them?

It’s fairly obvious this is just a ploy to nab Gaza.

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Ohlalalalala · 15/11/2023 16:49

Thereissomelight · 15/11/2023 09:12

Agree.

@Ohlalalalala thank you for all your threads and information.

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You're welcome!

The purpose of the threads is to try to inform the uninformed, correct the misinformed, debunk the myths and fight the propaganda/ hasbara.

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Thereissomelight · 15/11/2023 09:12

Wintersgirl · 14/11/2023 18:42

Netanyahu and his henchmen are evil fucking monsters...., I hope they're tried for war crimes.

Agree.

@Ohlalalalala thank you for all your threads and information.

Abhannmor · 14/11/2023 19:53

Well there's only 2.3m people in Gaza. Surely those Maga heads across the water will take them in when Trump is reelected. Anything to fulfil bible prophecy and bring on the Rapture ?

stormy4319trevor · 14/11/2023 19:28

@eardefender They have every right to be there. I'm sure they feel Israel are the neighbours from hell too, but nobody is telling the Israelis to move, because nobody holds the entire Israeli population responsible for the heinous actions of their government and state institutions,

eardefender · 14/11/2023 19:19

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Wintersgirl · 14/11/2023 18:42

Netanyahu and his henchmen are evil fucking monsters...., I hope they're tried for war crimes.

Arafina · 14/11/2023 18:22

Everything's going as Netanyahu and his band of rogues planned, it won't stop with Gaza, I think he sees it as his get out of jail card literally, the entire country will be behind him and his gang and all corruption charges will be dropped, the man is insane as are his government

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Ohlalalalala · 14/11/2023 17:50

@Coyoacan Natenyahou has always been against peace. He had always done everything in his power to divide and conquer.
He knew exactly what he was doing. A true Machiavellian.

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Ohlalalalala · 14/11/2023 17:40

@Reallifelurker @TakeMe2Insanity @hulahello

100%

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hulahello · 14/11/2023 17:35

TakeMe2Insanity · 14/11/2023 17:27

And yet if anyone says they cannot accept an independent Israel low and behold they are antisemitic!

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Including any Jewish people who say this. (Or they are called "self hating Jews".

TakeMe2Insanity · 14/11/2023 17:27

Reallifelurker · 14/11/2023 17:05

Quelle surprise

"The State of Israel will no longer be able to accept the existence of an independent entity in Gaza”

Did they ever?

And yet if anyone says they cannot accept an independent Israel low and behold they are antisemitic!

Reallifelurker · 14/11/2023 17:05

Quelle surprise

"The State of Israel will no longer be able to accept the existence of an independent entity in Gaza”

Did they ever?

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Ohlalalalala · 14/11/2023 16:33

Finteq · 14/11/2023 16:26

Actually an independent state could be established right here in the UK.

There plenty of space in Devon.

Just get the area cleared out and the people could move right in. Obviously the people living there would have to be willing to share or move out.

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Yep great idea! No need to ask the people of Devon; our government will just dispossess them. They can always emigrate to Ireland.

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Ohlalalalala · 14/11/2023 16:31

stormy4319trevor · 14/11/2023 16:06

There's a long and interesting history regarding Gaza's gas reserves. As I understand, after operation cast lead, Israel gained control over Gaza's gas reserves. The marine gas field could not be developed without Israel's approval. Israel did approve the development of the marine gas field in summer 2023, but it is unclear with this current situation whether Palestinians will receive any revenue from it.

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Yes, absolutely. There's an immense potential but Palestinians couldn't develop anything as Israel is an occupier and doesn't even grant them freedom of movement.

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Finteq · 14/11/2023 16:26

NorthStarRising · 14/11/2023 13:26

An independent Palestinian state could be established, with the goodwill of other Muslim states, using the West Bank and incorporating a section of Jordan. That way the state would be whole, instead of split between two locations with a hostile nation in between.
But Jordan would have to be willing to share with the Palestinians. Which should have happened when the West Bank was under Jordan’s control.

’In 1947 the UN General Assembly recommended that the area that became the West Bank become part of a future Arab state, but this proposal was opposed by the Arab states at the time. In 1948, Jordan occupied the West Bank and annexed it in 1950.’ Wikipedia

Actually an independent state could be established right here in the UK.

There plenty of space in Devon.

Just get the area cleared out and the people could move right in. Obviously the people living there would have to be willing to share or move out.

dadoodoodoo · 14/11/2023 16:26

@forthesakeofsanity To be fair I could link to many videos where Israelis are condemning the actions of their government ( often at significant risk to themselves). They’re not a homogeneous group , although I fear the moderates are not politically powerful.

Parkingt111 · 14/11/2023 16:24

@HeidiInTheBigCity thank you for answering. Its absolutely terrible. With how much that has been waved away in this war from the actions of the government and IDF it is definitely a real concern

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Ohlalalalala · 14/11/2023 16:20

Coyoacan · 14/11/2023 15:44

What about the underlying oil and gas fields?

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That's what that fanatic monster said, not me.

And to answer your question, yes Gaza has a lot of potential in the energy sector, as well as an alternative to the Suez Canal:

An alternative to the Suez Canal is central to Israel’s genocide of the Palestinians
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231105-an-alternative-to-the-suez-canal-is-central-to-israels-genocide-of-the-palestinians/

https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2023/11/08/american-israeli-plan-to-establish-the-gurion-port-at-gaza-as-an-alternative-waterway-to-the-suez-canal/

American -Israeli plan to establish the “Gurion Port at Gaza” as an alternative waterway to the Suez Canal - Modern Diplomacy

We can understand and analyze the Prime Minister’s conference in Sinai, in the presence of all political factions and artists, and its

https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2023/11/08/american-israeli-plan-to-establish-the-gurion-port-at-gaza-as-an-alternative-waterway-to-the-suez-canal

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OuiOuiKitty · 14/11/2023 16:12

NorthStarRising · 14/11/2023 13:26

An independent Palestinian state could be established, with the goodwill of other Muslim states, using the West Bank and incorporating a section of Jordan. That way the state would be whole, instead of split between two locations with a hostile nation in between.
But Jordan would have to be willing to share with the Palestinians. Which should have happened when the West Bank was under Jordan’s control.

’In 1947 the UN General Assembly recommended that the area that became the West Bank become part of a future Arab state, but this proposal was opposed by the Arab states at the time. In 1948, Jordan occupied the West Bank and annexed it in 1950.’ Wikipedia

I don't know why people are pretending not to see the obvious. It's clear Israel don't get on with any of their neighbours and feel that they are in need of protection from them and their 'criminal, primitive Arabs ways'. The obvious answer here is to 'evacuate' Israelis away from danger. With the goodwill of other modern democratic countries like Israel(I would suggest the UK and the US step up here, they are big fans) a section of the UK for instance(I would suggest formally you give away 20% but allow 40% for settler creepage) Israel could thrive surrounded by people that share their values. But the UK would have to be willing to share with the Israelis of course.

I don't see any reason why this plan is any more ludicrous than 'evacuating' Palestinians away from their homes. It makes a lot of sense and Israel would no longer be in fear but be safe and protected. If you just move Palestinians they would still be there on Israels borders and they would still have to live in fear and be propped up by US aid.

stormy4319trevor · 14/11/2023 16:06

Coyoacan · 14/11/2023 15:44

What about the underlying oil and gas fields?

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There's a long and interesting history regarding Gaza's gas reserves. As I understand, after operation cast lead, Israel gained control over Gaza's gas reserves. The marine gas field could not be developed without Israel's approval. Israel did approve the development of the marine gas field in summer 2023, but it is unclear with this current situation whether Palestinians will receive any revenue from it.

HaveALaff · 14/11/2023 15:55

Ofcourse Israel will get away with it. They have been getting away with it for years. The world will apologies when it is too late. Let us be on the right side of history.

TakeMe2Insanity · 14/11/2023 15:46

Just call it forced deportations but no they keep the language separate and yet do what they are doing and somehow it’s the Palestinians fault.