Shocked by the racist signs at marches

But the fact is that fellow marchers happily continued to march alongside these racists. They were not challenged. They were not told to leave.

Bullshit. They were challenged. Photos taken and reports to the police were made. No one “happily marched alongside” but neither did anyone stoop to violence and attack these marchers as most of us are pacifists.

Do you think it is working?
I don't think they have dented Hamas much at all. they are too well hidden in tunnels etc. They are just bombing the shit out of everyone in the hope that eventually enough people will die.

But actually getting rid of Hamas? Every death brings Hamas a new recruit, as people's fury with Israel grows

@Trulywonderful a land mass not used by people much in between?

I'm sorry but you can try and re write history as much as you want but that is clearly not true

My bad. I keep seeing posters say that Israel needs to kill all these innocent people to get to Hamas, to make sure Hamas can't attack Israel ever again.

Where have you been since October 7th? Do you think Hamas is being given a choice?

It’s called the Palestinian Authority Martyr’s Fund.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Authority_Martyrs_Fund
Excuse the wiki link, but it will get you started.

But there won't be a Hamas soon. Surely, Israel isn't going to have killed 11,000 innocent people including over 4,000 children, collateral damage in the pursuit of Hamas only to not defeat them

Why on earth would you think that?

How many civilians died during the war on Terror? Do you think the “west” won then?

So what. Ukraine didn’t exist as a country until the collapse of the USSR in 1991. Prior to that, except for an aborted attempted to gain independence from 1918-1919 when the Bolsheviks overthrew the Russian Tsar, they have not been a sovereign nation ever. They have always been a region within a larger empire.

Just like Palestine.

If you can’t defend the people of Palestine’s aspirations to statehood because these aspirations didn’t exist until 1948, then Ukraine has even less right to be independent from Russia as it didn’t exist as a sovereign state until 1991.

Do you want a ceasefire?

What a horrible post
Who is 'they' and you know full well that the majority being killed are innocent civilians.
Are they deserving of it every time their government carries out something wrong.
What would be the state of the UK if we applied that logic here with our history

Curious to know, do you know any Palestinians? Are you friends with any?

But there won't be a Hamas soon. Surely, Israel isn't going to have killed 11,000 innocent people including over 4,000 children, collateral damage in the pursuit of Hamas only to not defeat them?

You can't say though, that because some people are bad, we should let them all kill each other - or more accurately, just Palestinians be killed.

It is if we have all seen some of the posters on other antisemitism threads making excuses for the examples of signs there.

Sorry but after a month of some posters doing the same thing again and again. Then being apologists for marches that are clearly being antisemitic in photos or videos I have little time for some posters behaviour on these threads

In general I agree, there is a disconnect or paradox with how some people view things.

But lots of Palestinians are people not so different from us, it's not as strict as Iran.

Wow. Nice try, where is the evidence for this?

It’s because of the parallels people draw between the current far-right Israeli govt and their rhetoric about the Palestinians and how they treat them and how the Nazis treated “lesser” beings i.e. calling for all Palestinians to be wiped out, that they’re “human animals”, “children of darkness” whilst Israelis are “children of light”, the implications of what the Israeli regime imposes on Palestinians and the systematic racism and much, much more.

I have heard multiple Jewish activists also call the current Israeli govt Nazis and draw direct comparisons between the treatment of Jewish people under the Nazis and the treatment of Palestinians under the Israeli govt. I have also heard this from Israeli Jewish people.

That being said, I think putting a Nazi inside a Star of David is wrong, especially as a non-Jewish person and if the star is clearly not on an Israeli flag, then even more so.

However, I’d say that the insinuation that she is a neo-Nazi is incorrect, I think the sign was a very, very poorly judged mistake, as it would of course be very upsetting to a decent amount of Jewish people.

I do think that some people want to make the most provocative signs that they can (probably with good intentions) but misjudge and create something terribly offensive, but these are really few and far between.

I also don’t believe there is implied malice behind the sign towards anyone and everyone Jewish, I believe it’s aimed at Netanyahu.

Exactly this.

People here can argue as much as they like about ‘oh it was only a few bad apples’. But the fact is that fellow marchers happily continued to march alongside these racists. They were not challenged. They were not told to leave. And everyone k ew they would be there. Everyone knew they would be marching alongside them. After all we have seen in recent weeks, no one can pretend innocence on that front now.

Of course, the people who turned up to a London march with the pride flag were quickly challenged ( and by challenged, I mean attacked) by fellow marchers and their flag torn away.

But the racists were allowed to march in peace.

There is no reason why they would not return to this post Hamas.

Why would Hamas give up power?

That is the tone on this thread and it’s so despairing really. I agree with you that blowing up women to free them from the hijab (which they are not even required to wear) is insanity.

Israel is fighting for the liberation of women by blowing them up.

Israel is not fighting for the liberation of anyone who is not Jewish. They are fighting to obliterate everyone and regain the gaza strip for Israel.

That is not the aim of your ordinary Israeli on the streets, but it is certainly the driving force behind Netenyahu and his cronies. There is no intent to have a peaceful co-existance.

It was the Mandate of Palestine there never has been a state or country called Palestine. The last time it was a state or country was before the Roman colonisers took it from the Jews. Jerusalem has only even in history been the capital of a Jewish state (Twice). The land was just a land mass not used much by anyone throughout most its in-between history. The Arabs on the land didn't call themselves Palestinians until the 60s when Arafat invented the flag and told them to start calling themselves this. Prior to that most were called Jordanians because two thirds of the Mandate ended up as part of Jordan

"You have literally been on threads discussing the antisemitism signs plus can just Google or read online media reports

Don't play dumb when we all seen your apologist posts on other threads

Just be honest about your own thoughts or feelings on the subject"

@Trulywonderful If someone starts a thread stating a claim, I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for some examples of the claim they are making.

Women are free to go where they please within Palestinian Territories when Israel isn’t raiding or bombing them!

The statement “free Palestine from the river to the sea” means an end to apartheid and equal rights and citizenship to most Palestinians by the way. It mirrors exactly the Israeli Likud charter that declares “Between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.”

To read both as genocidal in intent is to be islamaphobic and antisemitic as neither are genocidal in intent. To read one but not the other as genocidal makes you either islamaphobic or antisemitic.

I didn't say they had to, but that is the tone on this thread, is it not? And on many threads, where posters appear to believe that Israel is fighting for the liberation of women by blowing them up.