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Shocked by the racist signs at marches

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Pigeotto · 14/11/2023 07:14

Maybe I’m just severely naive but I’m honestly just shocked at the levels of racism of some of the signs at these marches. It’s just caught me really, really off guard.

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mollyfolk · 15/11/2023 19:10

Stomacharmeleon · 15/11/2023 18:35

@mollyfolk surely if it's important enough for someone to post about then it should be taken seriously not told ' under IHRA rules it doesn't constitute antisemitism'.
Also what about people not in Israel? You know Jewish people?

I’m not sure if you understand my point. The IHRA don’t have rules - they have a definition of anti semitism that has been accepted by some countries as “the definition” but it is highly controversial and critized by rights groups. The definition itself mentions Israel!

So the very definition of anti semitism is controversial and that’s also why some people see some signs as highly antisemitic and others don’t .

RebekaTuwin · 15/11/2023 19:04

Stomacharmeleon · 15/11/2023 17:46

@Jupitersstorm I have just read aghast the Audacity of Jews having the 'privilege' of bomb shelters. How dare they try and protect themselves? What's wrong with people?

It is a fact that Arab-Israeli communities, these are Israeli citizens, do not get funded by the government for bomb shelters.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/arabs-living-israels-negev-desert-are-sitting-ducks-hamas-rcna120168

Israel is an apartheid society. It’s one of the reasons why I left Israel.

No bomb shelters, no sirens, no Iron Dome: Israel’s long-neglected Arab Bedouins

Targeted by Hamas and lacking protection from Israel, at least 15 Bedouins were killed in the Oct. 7 terrorist attack.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/arabs-living-israels-negev-desert-are-sitting-ducks-hamas-rcna120168

RebekaTuwin · 15/11/2023 19:00

victarion · 14/11/2023 12:03

The people standing next to her don't seem particularly bothered. And we don't know who took the photo, it could have been a friend.

A friend took the photo and then sent it to the police to then publish in an appeal for information about her identity? This friend does that and doesn’t say who she is?

SleepDreamThinkHuge · 15/11/2023 18:47

I am still shocked that the police spoke to the Asian women with the pictures of Rishi Sunak and Suella Braverman. How can that be racist if is was done by the person of Asian descent? It is a joke. There is a difference when black people use certain words to each other but if anyone non black said it would be racist because of the power dynamics and history of the word. And the people calling it racist are the same people who say everything is "woke." And how people blame everything on racism.

Stomacharmeleon · 15/11/2023 18:35

@mollyfolk surely if it's important enough for someone to post about then it should be taken seriously not told ' under IHRA rules it doesn't constitute antisemitism'.
Also what about people not in Israel? You know Jewish people?

mollyfolk · 15/11/2023 18:30

Bigminnie1 · 15/11/2023 09:18

The big problem I see is that every time Jewish people post that their worries about the increase in anti- semitism, so many people try to shut us down. They say it's not happening. They say they don't see it. They don't believe us.

I think there are also differing opinions to what anti semitism is.

the ihra definition of antisemitism is controversial. The large human rights organizations including human rights organizations from within Israel do not agree with it - they see it as an attempt to muzzle any criticism of Israeli policies and authorities.

mollyfolk · 15/11/2023 18:19

Stomacharmeleon · 14/11/2023 22:48

@mollyfolk did you purposely miss out the large chunk of that post where £300 million a year is eaten up in paying terrorists off? You know to do their dirty work for them?

Nope I didn’t. I’m not arguing that Hamas are upstanding citizens. In fact it was a serious misstep by the Israeli government to allow for the Qatar money. I’m just stating a fact - not all aid in Gaza is channeled through Hamas like your post suggests.

Stomacharmeleon · 15/11/2023 17:46

@Jupitersstorm I have just read aghast the Audacity of Jews having the 'privilege' of bomb shelters. How dare they try and protect themselves? What's wrong with people?

Stomacharmeleon · 15/11/2023 16:36

@Ecdysiast we all have our resident dicks.... see Tommy Robinson for example.

Jupitersstorm · 15/11/2023 16:16

OneHurtSpaggettio · 14/11/2023 22:58

@Trulywonderful For people who are Muslim, what you are saying about Hitler’s propaganda against the Jewish people is exactly how Muslims feel about the propaganda against them that is entrenched from Hollywood films where all Muslims are either oppressed or just straight-up terrorists, to now, most recently, the prime minister giving unreserved approval for Muslims to be slaughtered in their thousands, as well as sending the RAF and Navy to protect the far-right government who are doing it.

Imagine if the shoe was on the other foot and your government also then actively supported and blocked the country slaughtering from being tried in the ICC for their war crimes, the country that was killing thousands of Jewish people, starving them, depriving them of medical aid, of clean water, of dignity as their bodies pile up, and their children die slowly under the rubble.

You would feel beyond hurt. Beyond angry. Beyond lost in the country that you were born in.

These marches are an outlet for Muslims to come together with other people who have the empathy and kindness for the Palestinians.

Muslims seeing threads like this, bashing the marches, smearing them as racist despite it being 1 million people at the march and only ~50 people who were arrested, causes terrible upset and pain.

They then read the posts on the thread and it has quickly devolved into a Muslim hate thread - how do you think that feels for them? It is pain on top of pain on top of pain.

I am not saying that you don’t have a right to feel pain, too, but do not speak of empathy whilst exercising so little yourself.

"These marches are an outlet for Muslims to come together with other people who have the empathy and kindness for the Palestinians."

I am genuinely curious - why is it for Muslims? I thought the marches were calling for a ceasefire - and who are these "other people". It feels as though if you think the default position is for Muslims to march which makes it a religion issue. I thought it was for peace.

Sugaristheenemy · 15/11/2023 16:02

But these people keep on getting away with it don't they. Flip it the other way..'kill the muslims' how do ya think that would go down

Probably about as well.

Captainspaulding · 15/11/2023 15:34

But these people keep on getting away with it don't they. Flip it the other way..'kill the muslims' how do ya think that would go down

Sugaristheenemy · 15/11/2023 15:32

Maybe start a thread about it then

I think Ecdysiast was* *just making the point there are arseholes on both sides.

Thereissomelight · 15/11/2023 15:17

This is a thread about racism.

victarion · 15/11/2023 15:04

Ecdysiast · 15/11/2023 14:53

Hi @YouJustDoYou I agree. And this is what it looks like when the other side does it (these TikTok videos went viral in Israel):

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Maybe start a thread about it then.

Ecdysiast · 15/11/2023 14:53

YouJustDoYou · 15/11/2023 14:26

Indeed. I can't believe the casual, vile racism being spewed out and ALLOWED against Jewish people, it's been horrific. The jeering from Muslims in videos on youtube, the laughing when t hey're holding fake dead Jewish babies, the mocking of Jewish people to their faces..I mean, if I hadn't seen the videos, I couldn't believe so many people could be so happily, joyously racist against Jewish people, who've done absolutely nothing to them. "Awwww, are your babies dead? Are your relatives dead?" and queue mocking laughter. I mean, it's just utterly disgusting and evil.

Hi @YouJustDoYou I agree. And this is what it looks like when the other side does it (these TikTok videos went viral in Israel):

YouJustDoYou · 15/11/2023 14:26

Bigminnie1 · 15/11/2023 09:18

The big problem I see is that every time Jewish people post that their worries about the increase in anti- semitism, so many people try to shut us down. They say it's not happening. They say they don't see it. They don't believe us.

Indeed. I can't believe the casual, vile racism being spewed out and ALLOWED against Jewish people, it's been horrific. The jeering from Muslims in videos on youtube, the laughing when t hey're holding fake dead Jewish babies, the mocking of Jewish people to their faces..I mean, if I hadn't seen the videos, I couldn't believe so many people could be so happily, joyously racist against Jewish people, who've done absolutely nothing to them. "Awwww, are your babies dead? Are your relatives dead?" and queue mocking laughter. I mean, it's just utterly disgusting and evil.

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Sugaristheenemy · 15/11/2023 12:45

They’ve been deleted I think.

Jupitersstorm · 15/11/2023 12:03

Thereissomelight · 15/11/2023 09:08

I’m seeing a lot more Islamophobia on these threads than antisemitism.

Care to share any Islamophobic posts on this thread?

Trulywonderful · 15/11/2023 10:49

Thereissomelight · 15/11/2023 09:08

I’m seeing a lot more Islamophobia on these threads than antisemitism.

Not normally the case but yes on this particular thread I found some of the early posters made some shocking posts.

We didn't have that with the other thread from what I could see. Hands up I didn't read every last post on it but what I did wasn't like this thread at all. The level of Jew hate on that one was the issue. I do wonder if this thread was started for some iffy reasons if I am honest. Hence why I avoided posting on it when I saw the he ugliness.

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