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Shocked by the racist signs at marches

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Pigeotto · 14/11/2023 07:14

Maybe I’m just severely naive but I’m honestly just shocked at the levels of racism of some of the signs at these marches. It’s just caught me really, really off guard.

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Humdingerydoo · 20/11/2023 08:23

Sugaristheenemy · 20/11/2023 08:06

Being told that it's nothing to worry about because it's just a handful of people per demonstration isn't helpful. Even if it is just a handful of people - it's not ok. Stop trying to justify it and start calling it out instead

To be fair it’s usually in response to the protests being called hate crimes and antisemetic. The presence of a minority of people (who activities are acknowledged as criminal) does not really suggest that but some folk on here really hate the protests and are convinced everyone who goes on one is backing Hamas.
Then you get the weird comments about a “fun day out” and how some of them are smiling in photos as if that’s somehow sinister.

I don’t think the people we’ve seen in photos waving offensive placards should escape punishment and not do most people I expect.

But it's not just those whose activities are acknowledged to be criminal that are problematic. It's the ones who are there to intimidate. Like the ones shouting "shame on you" at people outside McDonald's. Like the ones a couple of years ago who slowly drove past my child's primary school waving their Palestinian flags and honking their horns. They didn't do anything illegal, but it's still intimidating as hell. Admittedly that was a couple of years ago and not now, but that's why the police are taking these convoys seriously.

I just wish people would take these things more seriously. It feels serious to us.

Sugaristheenemy · 20/11/2023 08:06

Being told that it's nothing to worry about because it's just a handful of people per demonstration isn't helpful. Even if it is just a handful of people - it's not ok. Stop trying to justify it and start calling it out instead

To be fair it’s usually in response to the protests being called hate crimes and antisemetic. The presence of a minority of people (who activities are acknowledged as criminal) does not really suggest that but some folk on here really hate the protests and are convinced everyone who goes on one is backing Hamas.
Then you get the weird comments about a “fun day out” and how some of them are smiling in photos as if that’s somehow sinister.

I don’t think the people we’ve seen in photos waving offensive placards should escape punishment and not do most people I expect.

Humdingerydoo · 20/11/2023 07:46

Motorina · 19/11/2023 23:26

@Humdingerydoo as one of the people who has been posting with some scepticism about some of the IDF's statements, I'm so sorry that security is neccessary for your school trip. It is 100% wrong. Your child - and every child - should be able to go on a trip without even thinking about security. I'm so sorry we live in a world where that is not the case.

I have been reaching out to my Jewish friends where I can because I'm aware that this is a really shitty time. Is there anything else I can or should be doing?

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Thank you, I appreciate it.

I can only speak for myself but honestly, acknowledgment that our fears aren't paranoia and that there are people who genuinely do want us all gone would help. The amount of gaslighting is phenomenal- people denying that a lot of the demonstrations have been problematic. Every single major demonstration has displayed anti-Semitism, some more obviously than others. Being told that it's nothing to worry about because it's just a handful of people per demonstration isn't helpful. Even if it is just a handful of people - it's not ok. Stop trying to justify it and start calling it out instead. Say that these people don't speak for you. Also acknowledge that if someone is feeling the need to cover their face to attend a demonstration, that's probably not someone you want to be demonstrating alongside with. They are there to intimidate those who disagree with them. That's just not ok.

It's a really scary world out there. A world where bin Laden is being praised for his brave words. It's absolutely bonkers.

Sugaristheenemy · 20/11/2023 07:25

The posters are falling over themselves to say how awful Israel is and totally dismissing the evidence that the hospital is a Hamas command centre

What evidence?

Trulywonderful · 20/11/2023 02:40

"All 80 cars were given notices under Section 59 of the Police Reform Act ordering them to disperse and cease their participation in the convoy or face being seized," a spokesperson said.

"One vehicle was ultimately seized, with fixed penalty notices for various road traffic offences issued to 18 drivers.

"A further nine vehicles were served with prohibition notices after defects were found making them unfit for use."

At least the police handled the convoy weĺl this time. Plus 9 cars that were not safe off the road, 1 more taken because the owner didn't comply with disperse instructions and 18 drivers got penalties on their licences for dangerous driving

The police still tracking down 15 people as well. So more penalties or some arrests to come.

Trulywonderful · 20/11/2023 00:59

Jupitersstorm · 20/11/2023 00:52

This thread is the height of anti semitism. The posters are falling over themselves to say how awful Israel is and totally dismissing the evidence that the hospital is a Hamas command centre and held hostages there.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/conflict-in-the-middle-east/4943076-israel-has-bombed-the-front-of-a-hospital-2?reply=130857038&utm_source=brevo&utm_campaign=Mumsnet_Watched_Thread_Notification_New_Talk&utm_medium=email

Isn't it named after a thread that was proven wrong. I mean the missile was proven to be yet another misfired by Hamas wasn't it. In that case if they stated another thread and continued to used the same name or didn't get mumsnet to change it, what do you expect.

I can't even be bothered with those threads to look if I am honest. Just let them talk to themselves. Most people will just look at the title like I did and think well that was proven wrong. Then ignore the thread. If you post you only bump it up and encourage dodgy users.

Jupitersstorm · 20/11/2023 00:52

This thread is the height of anti semitism. The posters are falling over themselves to say how awful Israel is and totally dismissing the evidence that the hospital is a Hamas command centre and held hostages there.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/conflict-in-the-middle-east/4943076-israel-has-bombed-the-front-of-a-hospital-2?reply=130857038&utm_source=brevo&utm_campaign=Mumsnet_Watched_Thread_Notification_New_Talk&utm_medium=email

Motorina · 19/11/2023 23:26

@Humdingerydoo as one of the people who has been posting with some scepticism about some of the IDF's statements, I'm so sorry that security is neccessary for your school trip. It is 100% wrong. Your child - and every child - should be able to go on a trip without even thinking about security. I'm so sorry we live in a world where that is not the case.

I have been reaching out to my Jewish friends where I can because I'm aware that this is a really shitty time. Is there anything else I can or should be doing?

Trulywonderful · 19/11/2023 23:07

noblegiraffe · 19/11/2023 22:48

This convoy? Or a different one?

https://x.com/tpointuk/status/1726179129769546020?s=61&t=U9XrcF693-JpMxeIueYG7g

(not that I particularly want to link to Turning Point UK)

It was A13 and the Limehouse Link from what the police are saying about the dangerous driving.

However those houses look like they could have been near their from my memory of that part of London. So this footage maybe before or after that.

Quiet little things aren't they

noblegiraffe · 19/11/2023 23:02

The video of the cars beeping with the loudhailer till 2am, whose hearts and minds are they winning there?

etmoiandme · 19/11/2023 23:00

Humdingerydoo · 19/11/2023 22:55

That's hilarious! Yes, of course it's obvious that you won't do that thing you expressly said you would do. Of course we all got that 😂🤔 Absolute numpty.

I mean, someone has even quoted the actual letter back to him and he's still denying that's what he meant! 😂

Trulywonderful · 19/11/2023 22:58

Stomacharmeleon · 19/11/2023 22:43

@Trulywonderful I am only getting screen shots too. What a dangerous situation!

Apparently the police acted quickly once they were informed 80 cars with flags were in convoy. After last time they wanted to stop them accessing Jewish neighbourhoods. They seem to have had a plan to do a drve through etc and then head to the Israeli Embassy.

Humdingerydoo · 19/11/2023 22:55

etmoiandme · 19/11/2023 22:47

This guy - and he's trying backtrack his way out of it now!

https://twitter.com/JamesGilesRBK

That's hilarious! Yes, of course it's obvious that you won't do that thing you expressly said you would do. Of course we all got that 😂🤔 Absolute numpty.

noblegiraffe · 19/11/2023 22:48

This convoy? Or a different one?

https://x.com/tpointuk/status/1726179129769546020?s=61&t=U9XrcF693-JpMxeIueYG7g

(not that I particularly want to link to Turning Point UK)

https://x.com/tpointuk/status/1726179129769546020?s=61&t=U9XrcF693-JpMxeIueYG7g

etmoiandme · 19/11/2023 22:47

This guy - and he's trying backtrack his way out of it now!

https://twitter.com/JamesGilesRBK

https://twitter.com/JamesGilesRBK

Humdingerydoo · 19/11/2023 22:46

I don't understand what they were trying to achieve with this convoy. They're just thugs, there to intimidate 🥴

That thing earlier about the emails being sent to all the councillors, blackmailing them into supporting a ceasefire - who sent it?

etmoiandme · 19/11/2023 22:45

Doesn't seem to be any published or witness videos, not on Twitter anyway.

Stomacharmeleon · 19/11/2023 22:43

@Trulywonderful I am only getting screen shots too. What a dangerous situation!

Trulywonderful · 19/11/2023 22:41

etmoiandme · 19/11/2023 22:31

@Trulywonderful This? https://twitter.com/metpoliceuk/status/1726341772119294313

Just read the article - 80 cars!

If I click on it it goes to a police page but that only has screenshots of the suspects

Is there any way of viewing the footage or has anyone got a link to it on social media. I am not on twitter myself

Trulywonderful · 19/11/2023 22:39

Our enquiries have not only revealed the extent of their dangerous antics on major roads,

Sounds like it was lucky they didn't kill anyone

Rubbishagain · 19/11/2023 22:33

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cz2BD1Cr5du/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
again you discuss trivial gossip while children are dying. Who cares about starmer

Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cz2BD1Cr5du/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

etmoiandme · 19/11/2023 22:31

@Trulywonderful This? https://twitter.com/metpoliceuk/status/1726341772119294313

Just read the article - 80 cars!

https://twitter.com/metpoliceuk/status/1726341772119294313

noblegiraffe · 19/11/2023 22:26

Meanwhile my 7 year old has a school trip into London this week and they're having to take security with them instead of parent helpers as it's a Jewish school.

This is just heartbreaking. The headteacher telling kids they didn't have to wear their blazers right at the start of this really got me. That was just a few days after the Hamas attacks, before Israel had really retaliated, and Jewish children were already unsafe as a result.

Trulywonderful · 19/11/2023 22:26

Does anyone have any links to twitter showing footage of this? If you scroll down to the bottom of the page on it their are photos of the people the police want to find.

“As soon as the convoy was spotted, a plan was put in place quickly to ensure the convoy would not reach areas where its presence would inevitably cause alarm and intimidation.

“Our enquiries have not only revealed the extent of their dangerous antics on major roads, they’ve also established the group had plans to move on from Exhibition Road to the Israeli Embassy off Kensington High Street.

https://news.met.police.uk/news/met-appeals-for-information-after-convoy-blocks-major-roads-475507

Met appeals for information after convoy blocks major roads

Officers are appealing for the public’s help to identify 15 people who took part in a pro-Palestinian convoy that stopped traffic on the A13 and the...

https://news.met.police.uk/news/met-appeals-for-information-after-convoy-blocks-major-roads-475507

noblegiraffe · 19/11/2023 22:22

Trulywonderful · 19/11/2023 21:56

Sometimes and sometimes no. That was more me explaining to anyone reading why that post was antisemitism and what the poster was saying to wiggle out of it etc. I try to always remember that more people read mumsnet than actually post on it. During covid I used to get private messages for users that said they only read posts. These people would thank me for my posts or wanting to ask me a question. Giraffe will probably say my head is too big now but I think this has made me post in a more educational way on occasion.

Mate, until you've had a campaign to ban you from MN for posting in an educational way, you're small fry Wink

I learned a long time ago to just report the obvious shit for deletion. No point in engaging when it will be deleted anyway, and you can save your energy for the more subtle arseholes.