Difficulty with burials in Gaza *MNHQ has altered the title of this thread*

I've said on other threads that we really are all as bad as each other, so I don't see the need for you to whisper ;) I think I'm just getting to the end of my tether with it now. It's exhausting and so repetitive. Ugh.

No, pro-Israel, to me, means that I think they have a right to defend themselves and the right to exist. A lot of people on here and in real life seem to think that's unreasonable, which I take great issue with.

I don't support Israel in everything. I eg don't support settlers in the West Bank. I don't support Israel having not allowed water and food in to Gaza for a few weeks, and now only allowing minimal amounts.

I do support them hunting down Hamas though.

You've implied hasbara is something quite shocking on multiple threads now. It really is just PR. Yes, other people all over the world might also participate in it because we know that if we don't defend Israel, no one will. Where I'm from we called it "being an ambassador for Israel". It was felt it was needed to combat anti-Semitism. Obviously hasn't worked though. The concept stems from us, as Jews, constantly being demanded to give our opinion on what happens in Israel. That in itself is anti-Semitic, but at least we were given some tools to help us defend ourselves.

I'm not sure I've explained that very well, but all I'm saying is hasbara really isn't something sinister. Please stop implying it is.

Hamas are also very good at hasbara / PR - that's how they've won over all of social media. They also have people all over the world whose job it is to spread their version of events. They are being interviewed on the news as well, which shocks me - why on earth would you ever interview a terrorist?!

I mean, how many times have I and others been told we're pro killing children because we're pro-Israel? I keep saying pro-Israel doesn't equal anti-Palestinian but people seem to ignore that. I still get accused of wanting them all dead. So maybe stop pretending you guys are somehow superior. It's really, really boring to read.

I’ve never backed the child killer narrative, or genocide (as my post history should show)

For my part I have been accused of being antisemitic, a terrorist sympathiser and wanting Israel wiped off the map. That also gets pretty boring. And superior? Some of the pro Israeli supporters here could have their user names under the word “superior” in a dictionary (IMO). Perhaps <whisper it> we’re all as bad as each other.

To be fair I've never said that someone pro Israel is a baby killer (that is quite a reach). I would though say that someone who is pro Israel must be fairly content to ignore the huge human rights violations of Palestinians that has resulted from the state of Israel.
Hasbara isn't a dirty word, I don't think anyone said it was? I think the hasbara of Israel is slightly more caustic than your everyday organizations PR department. It aims to discredit, pathologize and even harm those who are critics. And a quick Google tells me you can book a course to be "armed with a hasbara toolkit" in US. This goes way beyond governments trying to deflect criticism, it infiltrates right down to the ground.

I mean, how many times have I and others been told we're pro killing children because we're pro-Israel? I keep saying pro-Israel doesn't equal anti-Palestinian but people seem to ignore that. I still get accused of wanting them all dead. So maybe stop pretending you guys are somehow superior. It's really, really boring to read.

Also stop pretending hasbara is some kind of dirty word 🤦🏻‍♀️ Every government and organisation has a hasbara department. It's just public diplomacy / PR.

Thanks @feralunderclass for introducing me to the term ‘hasbara’. I have read up on it from various sources and my god, it is eye opening and what you say makes so much sense

I'm putting the words "addiction" and "obsession" into my hasbara category now, again they seem to be used within the context of trying to make posters who are talking about the plight of Palestinians as suffering some sort of mental health issue. That is one of the worst, but most typical forms of gaslighting

Yes, I get the sense that telling people who are admittedly very critical of Israel that they are pro Hamas terrorist sympathisers hasn’t done the job and “you’re all mentally unbalanced” will be the next “argument”.
Watch this space.

I didn't see the original thread title, I'm just going on the many posts that appear to be an attempt to minimise what is a very distressing reality for people in Gaza.
I'm putting the words "addiction" and "obsession" into my hasbara category now, again they seem to be used within the context of trying to make posters who are talking about the plight of Palestinians as suffering some sort of mental health issue. That is one of the worst, but most typical forms of gaslighting.

There is talking about atrocities and there is clear addiction to devouring everything that's going on and acting excited about it. plenty other threads manage it ok.

I think it’s possibly shock rather than excitement. I didn’t get the sense that the OP was gratuitous just that what it described was awful.
I did think FFS when I read it, I won’t lie, but I see no reason to assume she’s reviling it it as you imply.

Immediately after the Hamas incursion/murders when Hamas slit the throat of Jewish babies in Israel, Israel told those in the North to leave and go South as Israel was at war. there was a lot of warning given.

There are thread titles and there are thread titles. Would you have liked the other thread to stand where the OP, who had watched loads of videos of babies covered in blood, asking for more of them being beheaded as well? That was a distressing title.

There is talking about atrocities and there is clear addiction to devouring everything that's going on and acting excited about it. plenty other threads manage it ok.

Sorry, I don’t know if it looks like I’m implying you were making that argument. It was someone else.

You know what, I'm sorry for my previous post. It was too snarky

That’s ok

Oh, you not read other comments in the thread? Just jumped straight on mine? That's fair enough then that you'd be confused by it.
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You could just answer the question you know. Being a dickhead isn’t mandatory.

Others mentioned the difficulties in telling Hamas apart from civilians at times. I posted to say you can see why it would be difficult when Hamas frequently dress in civilian clothing
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At least you’re not arguing that the men in the October 7 videos were actually civilians (must of been if they were wearing blue jeans and trainers) (that was on another thread)

You know what, I'm sorry for my previous post. It was too snarky. It's genuinely possible that you didn't read all the other posts, in which case I really can see how my comment appeared incredibly random and out of place and as though I was trying to derail the thread. I wasn't though.

So much horror and outrage over a thread title with faux concern for families of dead victims being eaten by animals. I highly doubt they are going to be reading mumsnet 🙄. Anyway the truth needs to be told, this is part of the atrocities. Attempts to police tone of wording and punctuation marks are just a pathetic attempt to derail. If the thread title is upsetting then don't open it, simple as.

Oh, you not read other comments in the thread? Just jumped straight on mine? That's fair enough then that you'd be confused by it. Others mentioned the difficulties in telling Hamas apart from civilians at times. I posted to say you can see why it would be difficult when Hamas frequently dress in civilian clothing

It's so weird, I don't remember saying or even thinking that

What point were you making then?

It's so weird, I don't remember saying or even thinking that.

Agree OP. People offended by a title that they can just skip on their feed.

Ah right. So that makes it ok to kill civilians and babies.

People can easily identify IDF propaganda. Their actions are despicable. How anyone can justify bombing a hospital is beyond me. Israel needs to stop. Tired of the excuses, and Israel weaponizing antisemitism to carry out these atrocities.
This is also against international law by the way.

For one thing, your thread isn't 'reporting' the conflict. It is personal entertainment.

https://x.com/manniefabian/status/1724410813660660175?s=20

Just a video to prove that Hamas don't all wear uniform. Some of them showed up to the massacre on 7th October in jeans and a t-shirt. Seems like some people need to be reminded they often dress up as civilians. On the day of the massacre some also dressed up as IDF soldiers.

Here 's some coverage of the babies who are now without incubators:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6VyYrZyHiiw