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Be aware of misinformation seen regarding Palestine

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whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 13/11/2023 17:44

There's a lot of misinformation/propaganda spreading around and this thread is to raise awareness of the ones circulating. Here's one for example:

www.instagram.com/p/Czh2sF_LaUp/?igshid=anFmemQ3OGxpMGpu

Please share any you come across.

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Reallifelurker · 23/11/2023 19:06

This article sums up my misgivings about Israel’s Hasbara very well.

“Look closer at all his years in politics and that’s basically what he* has had to sell. Hasbara. A deep belief that Israel doesn’t have to improve itself; it is perfect as it is. All it needs is to explain itself better.

He sold that to Israelis, to many Diaspora Jews and to a whole cohort of wanna-Bibis, who believe it is their duty to wage hasbara war on Israel’s behalf rather than fight to make Israel a better place. And guess what? The world didn’t buy it, and then parts of the world got so tired of it that when Israel had an unassailable moral case, they still refused to believe their own eyes”
*Netanyahu

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-26/ty-article-opinion/.premium/screening-hamas-atrocities-why-hasbara-is-another-israeli-concept-thats-failed/0000018b-6ce7-db57-a7cb-ecff6ae90000

XRAYTHIS · 23/11/2023 18:52

ScrollingLeaves · 23/11/2023 11:49

Yes.
He knows how vicious Hamas is to Palestinians too.

Is that in question?

Israel bombing, burning, maiming and starving Palestinian children and their parents in their thousands, destroying their houses, and yet again pushing them out of their homes, will produce future dissociated, brutalised Hamas types with nothing to lose.

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I didn't ask a question. I just left some information from a child of Palestine. His words.

Most of this thread is by people leaving links. I thought that someone from the area might offer a perspective rather than the usual stuff posted. I guess it wasn't welcome then 😕

Humdingerydoo · 23/11/2023 18:14

Honestly, the way you're all going on as though you've uncovered some deep, dark conspiracy. Why is it a surprise to learn that a country is using PR? What do you think a spokesperson is?

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whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 23/11/2023 18:12

@BelleHathor yes exactly. It's sounds like they're reading from the same book and it clearly is. I saw a video of the book it used on social media.

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BelleHathor · 23/11/2023 17:55

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 23/11/2023 16:48

Thanks for this, it's a very interesting read.

I've been watching the news and various interviews and I always noticed how the same sort of rhetoric would be evident in them. Especially the lines "do you condemn Hamas?" Or "do you believe Israel has a right to defend itself".

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No problem at all. I first noticed it in 2014 during operation protective edge. Almost everyone interviewed for the Israeli side repeated the same line "Israel has the right to defend itself" and other similar lines in a very Stepford Wives manner.

The manual blew up online after some folks engaged in Israeli "PR" started newly registrating and repeatedly posting on some Gaming forums, and there was a back and forth between the groups with the Gamers winning by quoting from the manual.

Part of the reason the narrative control is failing is because the younger folk don't want to be "PR"ed and it'sa very gaslighting type of propaganda.

feralunderclass · 23/11/2023 17:30

From the author: Zionisms hasbara is an ongoing campaign

Reallifelurker · 23/11/2023 17:22

It's how to utilise propaganda as a form of PR

The two terms are similar in their meaning tbf. But whereas PR seeks to promote a good public image propaganda promotes a biased POV (usually political in nature). Use of propaganda is very common in conflicts* *

Reallifelurker · 23/11/2023 17:14

Well this looks at it from a slightly different angle

https://m.jpost.com/opinion/article-772006

Can’t say I read it thinking “ooh this sounds like a force for good” though

Getting hasbara out of its rut - opinion

There is the need to reset the message and the Zionist narrative.

https://m.jpost.com/opinion/article-772006

feralunderclass · 23/11/2023 17:12

It's how to utilise propaganda as a form of PR. They say never go to marriage counselling with a narcissist as they will direct the narrative and gaslight you into feeling that their problems/flaws are your fault. This sums the Israeli government up. Even when their lies are exposed on international TV they stonewall or deflect by asking completely unrelated questions.

Humdingerydoo · 23/11/2023 17:10

Reallifelurker · 23/11/2023 17:07

No, it's PR

No, it’s propaganda

Because a leftwing publication says so?

Sure.

I had a sibling who worked in the hasbara department. It was PR.

Reallifelurker · 23/11/2023 17:07

No, it's PR

No, it’s propaganda

FOJN · 23/11/2023 17:05

"Mark Regev appear slicker and less aggressive than their predecessors"

I thought he failed badly at both these things when he was interviewed by Mehdi Hassan on MSNBC and it looked like he inadvertently admitted to things I don't things he was supposed to.

Humdingerydoo · 23/11/2023 17:04

Reallifelurker · 23/11/2023 16:59

You will literally find anything to hate Israel for, including the fact they have a PR department
It’s more propaganda isn’t it?

https://www.972mag.com/hasbara-why-does-the-world-fail-to-understand-us/

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No, it's PR.

Reallifelurker · 23/11/2023 16:59

You will literally find anything to hate Israel for, including the fact they have a PR department
It’s more propaganda isn’t it?

https://www.972mag.com/hasbara-why-does-the-world-fail-to-understand-us/

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whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 23/11/2023 16:48

BelleHathor · 23/11/2023 15:34

Here's an article about the Hasbara handbook that was written in 2009 and leaked to the press.

^www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/israelgaza-conflict-the-secret-report-that-helps-israelis-to-hide-facts-9630765.html^

But on television and radio and in newspapers, Israeli government spokesmen such as Mark Regev appear slicker and less aggressive than their predecessors, who were often visibly indifferent to how many Palestinians were killed.
There is a reason for this enhancement of the PR skills of Israeli spokesmen. Going by what they say, the playbook they are using is a professional, well-researched and confidential study on how to influence the media and public opinion in America and Europe. Written by the expert Republican pollster and political strategist Dr Frank Luntz, the study was commissioned five years ago by a group called The Israel Project, with offices in the US and Israel, for use by those "who are on the front lines of fighting the media war for Israel"....
......The booklet is full of meaty advice about how they should shape their answers for different audiences. For example, the study says that "Americans agree that Israel 'has a right to defensible borders'. But it does you no good to define exactly what those borders should be. Avoid talking about borders in terms of pre- or post-1967, because it only serves to remind Americans of Israel's military history. Particularly on the left this does you harm. For instance, support for Israel's right to defensible borders drops from a heady 89 per cent to under 60 per cent when you talk about it in terms of 1967.".....

Thanks for this, it's a very interesting read.

I've been watching the news and various interviews and I always noticed how the same sort of rhetoric would be evident in them. Especially the lines "do you condemn Hamas?" Or "do you believe Israel has a right to defend itself".

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FourCandlesNotForkHandles · 23/11/2023 16:36

Humdingerydoo · 23/11/2023 16:23

Are we really back to hasbara being something sinister, evil and exclusive to Israel? 🤦🏻‍♀️

You will literally find anything to hate Israel for, including the fact they have a PR department. Just like every other country does, as well as companies and organisations all over the world, including Hamas. And every well-run PR department has some form of handbook, as otherwise they wouldn't be very good at their job.

This hatred of absolutely everything Israel says and does is the reason they need hasbara in the first place.

exactly
Why did Tony Blair stop wearing a tie and jacket.
Hes really not that cool.
His PR department told him he would be ‘more at one’ with his people.

Humdingerydoo · 23/11/2023 16:23

Are we really back to hasbara being something sinister, evil and exclusive to Israel? 🤦🏻‍♀️

You will literally find anything to hate Israel for, including the fact they have a PR department. Just like every other country does, as well as companies and organisations all over the world, including Hamas. And every well-run PR department has some form of handbook, as otherwise they wouldn't be very good at their job.

This hatred of absolutely everything Israel says and does is the reason they need hasbara in the first place.

BelleHathor · 23/11/2023 16:00

Ohlalalalala · 23/11/2023 15:43

@BelleHathor I meant the handbook.

Yes, it's still available on some sites (I have a pdf copy), though newsweek removed their direct link a couple of weeks ago. It's eye opening and very informative about how the discourse around Palestine is "managed".

Ohlalalalala · 23/11/2023 15:43

@BelleHathor I meant the handbook.

Ohlalalalala · 23/11/2023 15:42

BelleHathor · 23/11/2023 15:34

Here's an article about the Hasbara handbook that was written in 2009 and leaked to the press.

^www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/israelgaza-conflict-the-secret-report-that-helps-israelis-to-hide-facts-9630765.html^

But on television and radio and in newspapers, Israeli government spokesmen such as Mark Regev appear slicker and less aggressive than their predecessors, who were often visibly indifferent to how many Palestinians were killed.
There is a reason for this enhancement of the PR skills of Israeli spokesmen. Going by what they say, the playbook they are using is a professional, well-researched and confidential study on how to influence the media and public opinion in America and Europe. Written by the expert Republican pollster and political strategist Dr Frank Luntz, the study was commissioned five years ago by a group called The Israel Project, with offices in the US and Israel, for use by those "who are on the front lines of fighting the media war for Israel"....
......The booklet is full of meaty advice about how they should shape their answers for different audiences. For example, the study says that "Americans agree that Israel 'has a right to defensible borders'. But it does you no good to define exactly what those borders should be. Avoid talking about borders in terms of pre- or post-1967, because it only serves to remind Americans of Israel's military history. Particularly on the left this does you harm. For instance, support for Israel's right to defensible borders drops from a heady 89 per cent to under 60 per cent when you talk about it in terms of 1967.".....

It was still available to download 2 weeks ago when I checked.

BelleHathor · 23/11/2023 15:34

Here's an article about the Hasbara handbook that was written in 2009 and leaked to the press.

^www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/israelgaza-conflict-the-secret-report-that-helps-israelis-to-hide-facts-9630765.html^

But on television and radio and in newspapers, Israeli government spokesmen such as Mark Regev appear slicker and less aggressive than their predecessors, who were often visibly indifferent to how many Palestinians were killed.
There is a reason for this enhancement of the PR skills of Israeli spokesmen. Going by what they say, the playbook they are using is a professional, well-researched and confidential study on how to influence the media and public opinion in America and Europe. Written by the expert Republican pollster and political strategist Dr Frank Luntz, the study was commissioned five years ago by a group called The Israel Project, with offices in the US and Israel, for use by those "who are on the front lines of fighting the media war for Israel"....
......The booklet is full of meaty advice about how they should shape their answers for different audiences. For example, the study says that "Americans agree that Israel 'has a right to defensible borders'. But it does you no good to define exactly what those borders should be. Avoid talking about borders in terms of pre- or post-1967, because it only serves to remind Americans of Israel's military history. Particularly on the left this does you harm. For instance, support for Israel's right to defensible borders drops from a heady 89 per cent to under 60 per cent when you talk about it in terms of 1967.".....

Gaza: Secret report helps Israelis to hide facts

The slickness of Israel's spokesmen is rooted in directions set down by the pollster Frank Luntz

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/israelgaza-conflict-the-secret-report-that-helps-israelis-to-hide-facts-9630765.html

ScrollingLeaves · 23/11/2023 11:52

Ohlalalalala · 23/11/2023 11:35

@eester thanks for sharing.

From Haaretz the Israeli newspaper.

Thank you.

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