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Be aware of misinformation seen regarding Palestine

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whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 13/11/2023 17:44

There's a lot of misinformation/propaganda spreading around and this thread is to raise awareness of the ones circulating. Here's one for example:

www.instagram.com/p/Czh2sF_LaUp/?igshid=anFmemQ3OGxpMGpu

Please share any you come across.

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eester · 08/12/2023 13:59

https://www.middleeasteye.net/live-blog/live-blog-update/israeli-municipality-official-calls-burying-alive-subhuman-palestinian?nid=322376&topic=Israel-Palestine%2520war&fid=492946

@Thankfultoyou according to this news story it is true :(

The deputy mayor of the Israeli-run Jerusalem municipality has called for burying alive dozens of civilian Palestinians whom he described as "subhuman".

Arieh King called the unarmed men, who were arbitrarily grabbed from their homes in Gaza by the Israeli army on Thursday, "Nazi Muslims".
"We have to pick up the pace," he said on X, referring to the Israeli army's "elimination" of Palestinians.

King added that if it were up to him, he would have used the D-9 armoured bulldozers to bury the men alive, calling them "ants".

"They are not human beings and not even human animals, they are subhuman and that is how they should be treated," King said.

Israeli official calls for burying alive 'subhuman' Palestinian civilians

https://www.middleeasteye.net/live-blog/live-blog-update/israeli-municipality-official-calls-burying-alive-subhuman-palestinian?fid=492946&nid=322376&topic=Israel-Palestine%2520war

Thankfultoyou · 08/12/2023 12:54

I've just come across this on Instagram

www.instagram.com/p/C0l2tEMo5am/?igshid=N2ViNmM2MDRjNw==

I've read his caption which says the Israeli mayor of Jerusalem calls for burying detained Palestinians alive.

I'm not sure if he is translating the Hebrew text or not.

I've gone onto X and only found this post that has the same photos but it looks like the caption is different.

x.com/arieh_king/status/1733019431838560437?s=20

Using X translation on this post it reads:

And it shall come to pass, when the Lord thy God shall deliver thee from all thy enemies round about in the land which the Lord thy God is giving thee an inheritance to inherit - you shall enjoy the zikr of Amalek, the gift of heaven, and you shall not feel power."
Hundreds of Amalekites, Muslim-Nazis, what do you think their judgment should be?

Can anyone tell me if the above insta post is true and what does the Hebrew caption on it read please?

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 29/11/2023 21:04

www.instagram.com/p/C0PaLpDsR1-/?igshid=N2ViNmM2MDRjNw==

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Parker231 · 27/11/2023 21:19

Girahim · 27/11/2023 16:34

No I didn't. I pointed out they have her husband. Which they do. And that video proves nothing. It's an interview with a journalist who says that she wasn't lying, which I never accused her of doing. Assuming the subtitles are accurate, I mean it's an out of context clip on some randos Instagram reel, with the word terrorist in quotation marks.

Why are you so determined to defend them? It doesn't matter if they put her up at the Ritz. They still took her from her home and held her hostage.

The main thing is that she is safe and with her family.

However Gaza Strip is the world’s most dangerous place to be a child, with more than 5,300 Palestinian children killed so far — amounting to more than 115 a day — and more than 1,200 children under rubble or unaccounted for. Their families will be mourning their loss.

Xenia · 27/11/2023 20:58

Hopefully Israel will stop Hamas once and for all and we need to make sure that no one in the UK breaks the law as regards to Hamas either which is a terrorist organisation.

"Harakat al-Muqawamah al-Islamiyyah (Hamas) – Proscription extended November 2021Hamas is a militant Islamist movement that was established in 1987, following the first Palestinian intifada. Its ideology is related to that of the Muslim Brotherhood combined with Palestinian nationalism. Its main aims are to liberate Palestine from Israeli occupation, the establishment of an Islamic state under Sharia law and the destruction of Israel (although Hamas no longer demands the destruction of Israel in its Covenant). The group operates in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories. Hamas formally established Hamas IDQ in 1992. Hamas IDQ was proscribed by the UK in March 2001. At the time it was HM government’s assessment that there was a sufficient distinction between the so called political and military wings of Hamas, such that they should be treated as different organisations, and that only the military wing was concerned in terrorism. The government now assess that the approach of distinguishing between the various parts of Hamas is artificial. Hamas is a complex but single terrorist organisation.
Hamas commits and participates in terrorism. Hamas has used indiscriminate rocket or mortar attacks, and raids against Israeli targets. During the May 2021 conflict, over 4,000 rockets were fired indiscriminately into Israel. Civilians, including 2 Israeli children, were killed as a result. Palestinian militant groups, including Hamas, frequently use incendiary balloons to launch attacks from Gaza into southern Israel. There was a spate of incendiary balloon attacks from Gaza during June and July 2021, causing fires in communities in southern Israel that resulted in serious damage to property.
Hamas also prepares for acts of terrorism. One incident of preparatory activity is that Hamas recently launched summer camps in Gaza which focus on training groups, including minors, to fight. This is evidence of Hamas being responsible for running terrorist training camps in the region. In a press statement, Hamas described the aim of these camps as to “ignite the embers of Jihad in the liberation generation, cultivate Islamic values and prepare the expected victory army to liberate Palestine”."

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/proscribed-terror-groups-or-organisations--2/proscribed-terrorist-groups-or-organisations-accessible-version#list-of-proscribed-international-terrorist-groups

Proscribed terrorist groups or organisations

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/proscribed-terror-groups-or-organisations--2/proscribed-terrorist-groups-or-organisations-accessible-version#list-of-proscribed-international-terrorist-groups

Girahim · 27/11/2023 16:34

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 27/11/2023 16:23

It does prove your point wrong to say that what she said was only because her husband was still captured.

No I didn't. I pointed out they have her husband. Which they do. And that video proves nothing. It's an interview with a journalist who says that she wasn't lying, which I never accused her of doing. Assuming the subtitles are accurate, I mean it's an out of context clip on some randos Instagram reel, with the word terrorist in quotation marks.

Why are you so determined to defend them? It doesn't matter if they put her up at the Ritz. They still took her from her home and held her hostage.

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 27/11/2023 16:23

It does prove your point wrong to say that what she said was only because her husband was still captured.

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Girahim · 27/11/2023 16:08

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 27/11/2023 16:01

@Girahim

"She also said they put her through hell. And thst she was beaten with sticks. And it's unlikely she was going to publicly talk shit about the people whobhave her husband and over a hundred other people besides."

You might want to watch this interview which speaks about the treatment of the Israeli hostages. Please watch until the end because they specifically mentioned that Yocheved Lofshitz was accused of lying to protect her husband but this is untrue as everything she said was true.

www.instagram.com/reel/C0I6e5dsI9p/?igshid=N2ViNmM2MDRjNw==

So based on what one subtitled tiktok video from a random Instagram video I'm supposed to deduce what, that Hamas aren't kidnapping terrorist scum?

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 27/11/2023 16:01

@Girahim

"She also said they put her through hell. And thst she was beaten with sticks. And it's unlikely she was going to publicly talk shit about the people whobhave her husband and over a hundred other people besides."

You might want to watch this interview which speaks about the treatment of the Israeli hostages. Please watch until the end because they specifically mentioned that Yocheved Lofshitz was accused of lying to protect her husband but this is untrue as everything she said was true.

www.instagram.com/reel/C0I6e5dsI9p/?igshid=N2ViNmM2MDRjNw==

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FourCandlesNotForkHandles · 26/11/2023 13:47

Another website that is fake.

Be aware of misinformation seen regarding Palestine
whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 25/11/2023 23:46

The # on this X post from Israel suggests that it was Hamas who committed this murder. But she was tragically killed by an Israeli tank.

x.com/Israel/status/1728031404708032701?s=20

thegrayzone.com/2023/11/25/israels-october-7-propaganda-tank-eyewitnesses/

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whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 25/11/2023 23:08

I've just found this on Insta and it's was in 2006 and the girl wasn't Palestinian.

www.instagram.com/reel/CzbYD4OoV59/?igshid=N2ViNmM2MDRjNw==

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Ohlalalalala · 25/11/2023 19:54

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 25/11/2023 19:38

Thank you 😆

They are getting desperate.

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 25/11/2023 19:38

Came across this today

www.instagram.com/p/C0CoQ8ku7as/?igshid=N2ViNmM2MDRjNw==

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Ohlalalalala · 24/11/2023 12:38

Fairtobefairohhhhhc · 24/11/2023 10:25

That daily mail article is a bit of a joke. I've seen those images and it's very obvious they where AI generated. It does not mean they don't show the truth as to what is happening.

In the posts I have seen with these images they have never been used or called real images. It is to depict what is happening in a way without real blood and gore.

I just seen this which is unrelated but I was actually shocked that kids are used in Israel for this. It was removed due to back lash. They say gaza kids are indoctrinated.... so what is this then but in Israel....? https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cz9hrQeNAum/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

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My thoughts exactly.

Here's the youtube link regarding the song you mention:

Israeli state TV video shows children singing about Gaza | Al Jazeera Newsfeed

“Within a year we will eliminate them all.” A video by Israel’s public broadcaster of children singing about Gaza has caused a backlash online, including amo...

https://youtu.be/sUpm2jGJc18?feature=shared

Ohlalalalala · 24/11/2023 12:32

eester · 24/11/2023 10:10

@XRAYTHIS IDF have also spouted so many lies:

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-gaza-propaganda-biden/

NB: The Daily Mail supported Hitler in the second world war. Surely you don't want to publicise content from a fascist Hitler supporting publication?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/how-britains-nazi-loving-press-baron-made-the-case-for-hitler/

The DailyFail always supports the fascist du jour.

XRAYTHIS · 24/11/2023 11:38

Fairtobefairohhhhhc · 24/11/2023 11:29

@XRAYTHIS I understand what you are saying. But regarding tik token and Instagram etc. They are real live videos from those inside the disaster zone. They aren't 'verified' but do they need to be? What about the live videos. When newspapers verify things, what they mean is, we have taken what we want from the info and show you what is good for our promotion. Verifying doesn't mean anything to a newspaper unless it fits their agenda.

Indeed, Tic toc is a mix of live and masses of images. Some real and some not.

Another poster suggesting that because the owner of The Daily Mail in the 1930's was a Hitler supporter means that now no links should be shared is a bit odd. The story was about AI pictures being used by Hamas so not following a Hitler type focus at all. Some of the Royal family had sympathy for Germany during the World Wars but it would be also odd if someone used a similar 'reach' about them now. That was my point really.

I don't like the paper but that doesn't mean it's all made up. I don't like X or Tic Tok but again not all made up.

eester · 24/11/2023 11:34

@XRAYTHIS

Despite the fact that many years have passed, I will always have a problem with anyone promoting a publication with such a nasty historical stance, no matter how long ago it is.

There have also been recent accusations of the DM being anti-semitic

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/oct/04/antisemitism-does-not-always-come-hitler-salute

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/daily-mail-acknowledges-founder-was-a-known-anti-semite-in-flattering-piece-342787/

Not to mention its present low credibility rating from Media Bias Factcheck.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/daily-mail/

Questionable Reasoning: Right, Propaganda, Conspiracy, Some Fake News, Numerous Failed Fact Checks
Bias Rating: RIGHT
Factual Reporting: LOW
MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY

Antisemitism doesn't always come doing a Hitler salute | Jonathan Freedland

Jonathan Freedland: Hatred of Jews is often more coded than explicit, but the Daily Mail's attack on Ralph Miliband pressed all the same old buttons

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/oct/04/antisemitism-does-not-always-come-hitler-salute

Fairtobefairohhhhhc · 24/11/2023 11:29

@XRAYTHIS I understand what you are saying. But regarding tik token and Instagram etc. They are real live videos from those inside the disaster zone. They aren't 'verified' but do they need to be? What about the live videos. When newspapers verify things, what they mean is, we have taken what we want from the info and show you what is good for our promotion. Verifying doesn't mean anything to a newspaper unless it fits their agenda.

XRAYTHIS · 24/11/2023 11:26

eester · 24/11/2023 10:10

@XRAYTHIS IDF have also spouted so many lies:

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-gaza-propaganda-biden/

NB: The Daily Mail supported Hitler in the second world war. Surely you don't want to publicise content from a fascist Hitler supporting publication?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/how-britains-nazi-loving-press-baron-made-the-case-for-hitler/

I think there is misinformation from many sources and from Hamas, or Israel or others as well.

The Daily Mail owner did support the Nazi during WW1 and WW2. So are yiu saying that they are anti Jewish now as they were then? Your point is?

The thing with newspapers, they have a bias, we all know that. They are also accountable and can be sued, quite rightly. People pour scorn on a particular newspaper and often forget all newspapers, news outlets have their own bias. Individual Tic Toc, X and Instagram accounts spread much misinformation and hatred and are often shared enmass thousands of times with no accountability. They also have bias.

However, some sites afterwards will verify the major news outlets and newspapers for accuracy not so with Tic Toc, X et al.

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 24/11/2023 10:57

Fairtobefairohhhhhc · 24/11/2023 10:25

That daily mail article is a bit of a joke. I've seen those images and it's very obvious they where AI generated. It does not mean they don't show the truth as to what is happening.

In the posts I have seen with these images they have never been used or called real images. It is to depict what is happening in a way without real blood and gore.

I just seen this which is unrelated but I was actually shocked that kids are used in Israel for this. It was removed due to back lash. They say gaza kids are indoctrinated.... so what is this then but in Israel....? https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cz9hrQeNAum/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

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I agree and I was just coming on to say this too. 👏🏼

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Fairtobefairohhhhhc · 24/11/2023 10:25

That daily mail article is a bit of a joke. I've seen those images and it's very obvious they where AI generated. It does not mean they don't show the truth as to what is happening.

In the posts I have seen with these images they have never been used or called real images. It is to depict what is happening in a way without real blood and gore.

I just seen this which is unrelated but I was actually shocked that kids are used in Israel for this. It was removed due to back lash. They say gaza kids are indoctrinated.... so what is this then but in Israel....? https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cz9hrQeNAum/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cz9hrQeNAum?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA%3D%3D

eester · 24/11/2023 10:22

*in the run up to the second world war should say

The article above shows the really disgusting anti-semitic stance of the DM in the 1930s.

Anyone parroting and reposting any DM stories in relation to the Israel / Palestine war should be aware of this and think twice before posting links.

eester · 24/11/2023 10:10

@XRAYTHIS IDF have also spouted so many lies:

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-gaza-propaganda-biden/

NB: The Daily Mail supported Hitler in the second world war. Surely you don't want to publicise content from a fascist Hitler supporting publication?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/how-britains-nazi-loving-press-baron-made-the-case-for-hitler/

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