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Be aware of misinformation seen regarding Palestine

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whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 13/11/2023 17:44

There's a lot of misinformation/propaganda spreading around and this thread is to raise awareness of the ones circulating. Here's one for example:

www.instagram.com/p/Czh2sF_LaUp/?igshid=anFmemQ3OGxpMGpu

Please share any you come across.

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feralunderclass · 09/12/2023 10:28

Livelovebehappy · 09/12/2023 10:19

Of course the Palestinians want the genicide of Jews. They don’t want a two state situation. They openly say they want Jews wiped out of Israel. And the vast majority do not and will not support Palestine over Israel, no matter how much you twist the facts to meet your own narrative. If Hamas want to sort this without the bombing, then stop hiding behind their people, using them as shields. The Palestinians are also victims of Hamas, and need to be outing them. Their deaths are absolutely the fault of the cowardly savages Hamas. Fact.

Where does it say "Palestinians want the genocide of Jews"? On whose behalf are you speaking?
ETA: I don't think I'm "twisting any facts". I don't have a narrative other than to stand up for human rights.

Humdingerydoo · 09/12/2023 10:23

Thereissomelight · 09/12/2023 10:02

Can you provide an official source for where “the other side” want to see genocide of all Jews? The 2017 Hamas charter says no such thing.

What their official charter says and what their leaders say and do are very different things, as you well know. Unless you think calling the 7th of October a rehearsal is them saying "we just want to live in peace". Them and their supporters have called for global Jihad and Intifada more than once in recent months. My child's primary school had to double up their already doubled up security because of the calls for global Jihad.

I realise I'm now inevitably going to get a lesson in what the literal meanings of Jihad and Intifada are, but we all know that in the context of the Palestinians they have different meanings from the literal ones. Although I'm sure you'll plead ignorance and claim that's not the case at all. And then you'll keep spreading your hatred of Israel and your support for the eradication of the state. That's what you're supporting by not denouncing Hamas.

Parker231 · 09/12/2023 10:23

Hamas and the IDF are both guilty - not the Israeli and Palestinian people.

Thereissomelight · 09/12/2023 10:21

The Palestinians deaths are the fault of Hamas

No. The innocent Palestinians deaths are the fault of the IDF who are killing them.

Thereissomelight · 09/12/2023 10:20

No one doubts that Hamas are terrorists. To their own people as well as others. I believe they may have started with a genuine freedom ideology but these groups almost always get taken over by gangsters and criminals.

And I believe that the same has happened to Israel.

Livelovebehappy · 09/12/2023 10:19

feralunderclass · 09/12/2023 10:06

It's not the genocide of Jews everywhere they want, please stop this false narrative. Regardless, they are a terrorist group. I'm going to be honest and say that after the horrendous unnecessary deaths and destruction we've seen, it's hard not to feel that Israel are the real terrorists here. The aim does not seem to be to eradicate Hamas, it is to cause death to the Palestinians. Combined with their track record of appalling treatment of Palestinians over the last 75 years and the actual words of the government it very much comes across as genocidal intent. If you gave someone who had zero knowledge of the situation the stats of deaths, homes destroyed, injuries of two sides, then wrote down what the government's have said, and asked them to identify which side are the terrorist group, I think the vast majority of people would choose Israel. And I don't see it as a 'propaganda war', it's just cold hard facts. In this day and age of social media it's harder for any government to make statements and people just accept it as the truth. The images of Gaza will haunt people for years to come, and we should never let it be forgotten 💔

Of course the Palestinians want the genicide of Jews. They don’t want a two state situation. They openly say they want Jews wiped out of Israel. And the vast majority do not and will not support Palestine over Israel, no matter how much you twist the facts to meet your own narrative. If Hamas want to sort this without the bombing, then stop hiding behind their people, using them as shields. The Palestinians are also victims of Hamas, and need to be outing them. Their deaths are absolutely the fault of the cowardly savages Hamas. Fact.

feralunderclass · 09/12/2023 10:07

Thereissomelight · 09/12/2023 10:02

Can you provide an official source for where “the other side” want to see genocide of all Jews? The 2017 Hamas charter says no such thing.

It's the same source that speaks of Hamas beheading babies, babies baked in ovens etc etc.

braticus · 09/12/2023 10:07

Well said @feralunderclass 👏

feralunderclass · 09/12/2023 10:06

Humdingerydoo · 09/12/2023 09:51

And the other side tries to present itself as "freedom fighters". Not so I am afraid.

Yet people lap it up.

It's not freedom they want - it's the genocide of all Jews everywhere and the eradication of the state of Israel. 7th of October was just a rehearsal. Their words, not mine.

And with regards to misinformation - both sides are at it all the time. It's a propaganda war and Hamas are sadly winning it.

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It's not the genocide of Jews everywhere they want, please stop this false narrative. Regardless, they are a terrorist group. I'm going to be honest and say that after the horrendous unnecessary deaths and destruction we've seen, it's hard not to feel that Israel are the real terrorists here. The aim does not seem to be to eradicate Hamas, it is to cause death to the Palestinians. Combined with their track record of appalling treatment of Palestinians over the last 75 years and the actual words of the government it very much comes across as genocidal intent. If you gave someone who had zero knowledge of the situation the stats of deaths, homes destroyed, injuries of two sides, then wrote down what the government's have said, and asked them to identify which side are the terrorist group, I think the vast majority of people would choose Israel. And I don't see it as a 'propaganda war', it's just cold hard facts. In this day and age of social media it's harder for any government to make statements and people just accept it as the truth. The images of Gaza will haunt people for years to come, and we should never let it be forgotten 💔

Thereissomelight · 09/12/2023 10:02

Humdingerydoo · 09/12/2023 09:51

And the other side tries to present itself as "freedom fighters". Not so I am afraid.

Yet people lap it up.

It's not freedom they want - it's the genocide of all Jews everywhere and the eradication of the state of Israel. 7th of October was just a rehearsal. Their words, not mine.

And with regards to misinformation - both sides are at it all the time. It's a propaganda war and Hamas are sadly winning it.

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Can you provide an official source for where “the other side” want to see genocide of all Jews? The 2017 Hamas charter says no such thing.

Humdingerydoo · 09/12/2023 09:51

Thereissomelight · 09/12/2023 09:02

No, both sides have appalling leaderships. It’s just that one side tries to present itself as “the only civilised democracy in the ME” and “the most moral army in the world”. Not so I am afraid.

And the other side tries to present itself as "freedom fighters". Not so I am afraid.

Yet people lap it up.

It's not freedom they want - it's the genocide of all Jews everywhere and the eradication of the state of Israel. 7th of October was just a rehearsal. Their words, not mine.

And with regards to misinformation - both sides are at it all the time. It's a propaganda war and Hamas are sadly winning it.

Thereissomelight · 09/12/2023 09:43

And the more lies that are told, the more difficult it becomes to know what to believe.

Thereissomelight · 09/12/2023 09:02

No, both sides have appalling leaderships. It’s just that one side tries to present itself as “the only civilised democracy in the ME” and “the most moral army in the world”. Not so I am afraid.

Livelovebehappy · 09/12/2023 01:21

Thereissomelight · 08/12/2023 20:27

They are not just dangerous extremist racist murderers but disgusting liars also.

And of course Hamas and their Palestinian supporters aren’t extremist racist murdering liars too. Oh, wait…..they are extremists (terrorists), they are racists (antisemitic), and murderers (October 7th), and have been proven liars multiple times. But guess you’re saying that’s okay 🙄

Thankfultoyou · 08/12/2023 20:33

Netanyahu is now saying when the ICC investigate Israel for "fake" war crimes then it's pure antisemitism

Thereissomelight · 08/12/2023 20:27

They are not just dangerous extremist racist murderers but disgusting liars also.

Thereissomelight · 08/12/2023 20:26

Reading back through this thread I’m going to bump the fact mentioned that the website Hamas.com claiming to show tortures and crimes committed by Palestinians is in fact a fake website written by Israelis.

Pathetic. And yes, shows how desperate they are for supporters.
Snopes

Is Hamas.com a Website for Hamas?

Forensic evidence indicated the website was created on an Israeli platform.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hamas-website/

eester · 08/12/2023 18:15

@Silence1 I can't see the article as behind a paywall, but that is really sickening and sad.

eester · 08/12/2023 16:29

Humdingerydoo · 08/12/2023 15:09

Yeah but that is nowhere on his X feed. So it's either fake propaganda or he posted that and deleted it. The font looks different from normal X fonts but I don't know much about it

When you click the link to the tweet on his account on X, it says X withdrew it as it violated content guidelines.

So it seems from this that it was actually posted then withdrawn by X.

Thankfultoyou · 08/12/2023 15:39

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Humdingerydoo · 08/12/2023 15:09

Thankfultoyou · 08/12/2023 15:04

@Humdingerydoo if you open the link @eester sent, the photo used on Instagram is the same photo in the article.

Yeah but that is nowhere on his X feed. So it's either fake propaganda or he posted that and deleted it. The font looks different from normal X fonts but I don't know much about it

Thankfultoyou · 08/12/2023 15:04

@Humdingerydoo if you open the link @eester sent, the photo used on Instagram is the same photo in the article.

Humdingerydoo · 08/12/2023 14:45

Based on Google translate and the fact he is quoting some kind of biblical verse, then no he did not say that. At least not in the screenshot. The Instagram post seems to have completely changed what the original post says. That means it's either fake propaganda or it means he posted the same thing twice but with two completely different captions.

I wouldn't take anything the middle east eye say at face value. I would make sure to double-check any of their claims, assuming you want the truth.

Thankfultoyou · 08/12/2023 14:08

Thank you @eester
Just when you think they can't sink any lower they do this.

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