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Be aware of misinformation seen regarding Palestine

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whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 13/11/2023 17:44

There's a lot of misinformation/propaganda spreading around and this thread is to raise awareness of the ones circulating. Here's one for example:

www.instagram.com/p/Czh2sF_LaUp/?igshid=anFmemQ3OGxpMGpu

Please share any you come across.

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Howandwhy · 13/11/2023 22:03

This is exactly what people are sick of. My post has been removed...why? Because everything in it was fact. Those who support Israel's evil deeds never want to hear the truth. Cease fire now.

MCOut · 13/11/2023 21:57

notsoready4school · 13/11/2023 21:37

A genuine answer though. I thought what Hamas did was terrible. I think though what Israel has been doing to the Palestinian people was terrible and what it is doing in Gaza now is way worse. It had been hidden for so long and it is now showcased on the global stage for all to see. I didn’t see that as an outcome of this. I did think there would be hell to pay but did not appreciate how out of control the Israeli government are. I expected something more in line with US approach on Afghanistan. Anyway I guess Hamas knew Netanyahu and the crazy government there too well.

Biden’s response to this makes me sick. He knew he wasn’t going to be able to exert much control and yet is still giving Israel more. I doubt there will be any meaningful humanitarian conditions on this latest aid. Look at the poverty in the world and this is what they spend money on.

I truly do not understand how anybody can deny that what has been done to Palestinians is wrong and what is being done now is beyond evil. What happened on October 7 was heartbreaking, but it doesn’t justify this.

MrsTerryPratchett · 13/11/2023 21:45

Thanks @MonsieurCrapeau

MonsieurCrapeau · 13/11/2023 21:39

MrsTerryPratchett · 13/11/2023 19:03

I'd really like to talk properly about each of these things:

Anti-Semitic attacks having increased 1000%. Is that hyperbole or actual attacks? Do you have a link? My understanding is that there has been a steady increase in crimes based on race and nationality in recent years. Brexit etc. and the general polarisation of society is poisonous. The rise of anti-Semitic, racism and the associated violence is dreadful.

Secondly, 'the Jews'. My understanding, and again I could be wrong, was that Jewish people in the main were good with being referred to, when it's relevant to mention race and/or religion, as Jews. There was a long thread on here ages ago saying that although some groups of people, I'll use myself, would rather be called a Polish person or a person with ADHD, to pick a couple of things, than a Pole or an ADHDer, Many Jewish people pick 'Jews' because it's a race and religion and the identifier is good for them. If it's not, it's worth a conversation. And if people object, I will absolutely choose to refer to people in the way they prefer. Language changes but people may be trying to refer to people correctly.

Third, the vast majority of people on here and IRL favour Israel and Palestine co-existing peacefully. Yes, on both 'sides' there is a contingent of people wanting to wipe the others off the map but the only 'side' capable of attempting that (and currently succeeding) is Israel. And it's complicated by Israel being the only Jewish state. And so objecting to Israel looks like objecting to Judaism, in a way that objecting to Palestine doesn't look like Islamophobia. But generally next to no one wants Israel wiped off the map.

It is horrifying to see anti-semitism crawl out of the woodwork and it's unsurprising given history that people are terrified. However seeing Israel's mass killings as wrong doesn't make someone anti-Semitic.

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/antisemitic-islamophobic-offences-soar-london-after-israel-attacks-2023-10-20/

Mayor of London Sadiq Khan speaks at the London Tech Week in London, Britain, June 12, 2023. REUTERS/Toby Melville/File Photo

Antisemitic, Islamophobic offenses soar in London after Israel attacks

London police said on Friday they had recorded a 1,353% increase in antisemitic offences this month compared to the same period last year, while Islamophobic offences were up 140% in the wake of the attack by Hamas on Israel.

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/antisemitic-islamophobic-offences-soar-london-after-israel-attacks-2023-10-20/

notsoready4school · 13/11/2023 21:37

Noelectricheating · 13/11/2023 20:44

You sound like you admire the terrorist group Hamas. Do you condemn what they did on October 7th?

A genuine answer though. I thought what Hamas did was terrible. I think though what Israel has been doing to the Palestinian people was terrible and what it is doing in Gaza now is way worse. It had been hidden for so long and it is now showcased on the global stage for all to see. I didn’t see that as an outcome of this. I did think there would be hell to pay but did not appreciate how out of control the Israeli government are. I expected something more in line with US approach on Afghanistan. Anyway I guess Hamas knew Netanyahu and the crazy government there too well.

Howandwhy · 13/11/2023 21:32

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whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 13/11/2023 21:24

@Noelectricheating do you condemn what Israel are currently doing?

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MrsTerryPratchett · 13/11/2023 21:24

Teentaxidriver · 13/11/2023 19:45

TerryPratchett - I’d really like to talk properly about …. how hard you try to hide your antisemitism. Sadly though it is still there, lurking under the fluffy, supposedly decent, trying to appear reasonable language. Questioning whether there really has been a rise in antisemitism, minimising it by likening it to general racism [it isn’t like racism or do you not get that? They are an ethnoreligious group], pretending you thought calling them “the Jews” is acceptable nomenclature, alluding to the desire for the destruction of Israel but admitting that since it is their only homeland maybe that isn’t ok. Hiding in plain sight.

I'm a big proponent of doing an honest self-examination about things like racism, antisemitism and other prejudices. They are often sub- or semi-conscious, and justified in one's own head. I think it's a good idea to look at oneself. Fish don't see the water and we often don't see our own issues. I've benefited from people educating me and looking at my own stuff.

So I do it, regularly, about any of the possible prejudices that being raised in any society can give you. I just don't see it. Israel is acting horrendously but that doesn't reflect in any way on Jewish people in the wider world. I think it's appalling that there is a rise in antisemitism.

Israel can't hide behind some Teflon barrier so no one can say anything bad.

notsoready4school · 13/11/2023 21:20

Noelectricheating · 13/11/2023 20:44

You sound like you admire the terrorist group Hamas. Do you condemn what they did on October 7th?

I’ll only answer that if you condemn what the IDF are doing right now. Do you ?

Iwantcakeeveryday · 13/11/2023 21:19

SovietSpy · 13/11/2023 21:13

This article on Vox has some good analysis on how social media platforms are being used to push propaganda.

this paragraph also stood out to me:

Check in with yourself and think critically about the role you want to play on- and offline in a moment like this. That might mean resisting the impulse to become an instant breaking news reporter in your group chat. If you don’t have the skill set to evaluate for accuracy the videos of on-the-ground footage in a neighborhood you’ve never visited, you’re not likely to develop it in a matter of minutes.

https://www.vox.com/technology/2023/10/12/23913472/misinformation-israel-hamas-war-social-media-literacy-palestine

thats great, thanks for adding it here

MCOut · 13/11/2023 21:19

@Teentaxidriver And this is how I can tell you yourself are not a minority. Go and stick yourself in the corner and do not speak about what you do not understand. None of this is remotely helpful to Jewish people. They would know that this is a one-way ticket to being ignored and dismissed.

Takoneko · 13/11/2023 21:19

That’s a great article @SovietSpy

SovietSpy · 13/11/2023 21:13

This article on Vox has some good analysis on how social media platforms are being used to push propaganda.

this paragraph also stood out to me:

Check in with yourself and think critically about the role you want to play on- and offline in a moment like this. That might mean resisting the impulse to become an instant breaking news reporter in your group chat. If you don’t have the skill set to evaluate for accuracy the videos of on-the-ground footage in a neighborhood you’ve never visited, you’re not likely to develop it in a matter of minutes.

https://www.vox.com/technology/2023/10/12/23913472/misinformation-israel-hamas-war-social-media-literacy-palestine

Alcemeg · 13/11/2023 21:13

@notsoready4school
when this first happened I thought how stupid Hamas are but as it develops I can see they were clearly playing the long game and knew the nature of their oppressors too well.

Well, they certainly know how to manipulate the West via social media.

25milesfromhome · 13/11/2023 21:01

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Noelectricheating · 13/11/2023 20:44

You sound like you admire the terrorist group Hamas. Do you condemn what they did on October 7th?

Do you condemn what Israel is doing NOW?

Teentaxidriver · 13/11/2023 20:51

My original point still stands, you can’t compare the recent steepnrise in antisemitism to racist activities post-Bexit.

Teentaxidriver · 13/11/2023 20:50

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Pinkpinkpink15 · 13/11/2023 20:46

My head is bettered.

MN is as bad as MSM.

Noelectricheating · 13/11/2023 20:44

notsoready4school · 13/11/2023 20:29

Although it is losing the battle, Israel has played right into their hands and they are winning the long game.

Israel’s reputation is in tatters internationally, Israel’s leader is likely to be ousted and tried for war crimes, any chance of normalisation with it's Arab neighbours is over and it is losing the support of its European allies. The veil has lifted from almost every average person’s eyes of what kind of ‘democracy’ of double standards it is. In addition, Israel’s economy is suffering as war is expensive

It is also true that for every bomb Israel drops a dozen new angry terrorists are born and many of whom are not even in Palestine so completely out of Israel’s control. So after all this Israelis people will live in even more fear than they did to date.

when this first happened I thought how stupid Hamas are but as it develops I can see they were clearly playing the long game and knew the nature of their oppressors too well.

You sound like you admire the terrorist group Hamas. Do you condemn what they did on October 7th?

Takoneko · 13/11/2023 20:42

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 13/11/2023 20:11

Are seriously saying that what's happening in Gaza is fake? I've seen children with their legs hanging by a piece of thread LITERALLY. Bodies mutilated. Headless children. I could go on. Nothing blurred out. There's nothing fake about that at all.

I don’t know about the authenticity of that particular clip but you are naive if you think that all of the videos being shared from Gaza are genuine. Full fact have found a number of viral videos or photos purportedly showing atrocities in Gaza are in fact not from Gaza at all. There have been a number that were actually from Syria and others claiming to be Gaza that were from Bahrain, Sudan, Algeria and Ukraine. Both sides need to be more critical before sharing posts.