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Be aware of misinformation seen regarding Palestine

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whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 13/11/2023 17:44

There's a lot of misinformation/propaganda spreading around and this thread is to raise awareness of the ones circulating. Here's one for example:

www.instagram.com/p/Czh2sF_LaUp/?igshid=anFmemQ3OGxpMGpu

Please share any you come across.

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Tripper79 · 09/01/2024 22:31

There’s so much misinformation that’s been put out there about both sides that it’s hard to know what’s true and what’s not anymore.

I think the thing to remember is that even though a news story might be inaccurate, it doesn’t mean that something horrific didn’t happen. The story about the 40 beheaded babies wasn’t accurate but that doesn’t mean that babies weren’t killed on 7th October in awful ways so it shouldn’t be used as an excuse to minimise the events of that day.

Just like some of the IDF stories may not be accurate but that doesn’t mean that war crimes have not been committed by the Israeli army and they haven’t done some awful things as well.

etmoiandme · 09/01/2024 22:24

@DownNative There's been countless videos going round X the last few months purporting to be of Gaza when it's actually of Syria. (I'm not downplaying the devastation in Gaza btw)

anotherlevel · 09/01/2024 20:14

Can anyone shed some light on this please.

x.com/HonestReporting/status/1728680174252691814?s=20

twilightmoon3 · 17/12/2023 10:28

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flowerssss · 17/12/2023 10:16

Propaganda from the IDF.

They've taken a folded piece of paper and placed it in a book to look as if it is part of the book.

www.instagram.com/reel/C08aLduO3eO/?igshid=ZWQ3ODFjY2VlOQ==

ScrollingLeaves · 15/12/2023 20:10

ScrollingLeaves · 09/12/2023 21:27

I am sure you are right about amplifying deaths caused by the IDF, and even if there were deaths caused by own fire it would never have happened without the Hamas attack in the first place.

But Regev said in a television interview that they’d revised their figure of those killed by Hamas Oct 7 down by 200 because they realised 200 of the burned bodies were of Hamas terrorists. So there was some question about how they got burned when they were the ones doing the burning. Not that this mention of the 200 burned Hamas terrorists is conclusive of anything.

Then about the apache helicopters, there was a report with videos shown to be wrong because the videos were from a completely different place (Syria?), but there was this report from Haaretz by
Joshua (Josh) Breiner
November 18, 2023
Excerpt (my bold)
“There is a growing assessment in the security establishment that the terrorists who carried out the massacre on October 7 did not know in advance about the Nova festival held near Kibbutz Ra'im, and decided to come to the place after discovering that a mass event was taking place there. The security system's assessment relies, among other things, on the investigations of the terrorists and the investigation of the incident by the police, from which it appears that the terrorists intended to reach Kibbutz Ra'im and nearby kibbutzim. According to a police source, an investigation into the incident also revealed that an IDFcombat helicopter that arrived at the scene from the Ramat David base fired at the terrorists and apparently also hit some of the revelers who were there

I translated this from Hebrew using Google. It was never in English Haaretz.

In an article today about the IDF accidentally killing three hostages, there is a quote from a former hostage relating how frightened they had been in the tunnels fearing that they would be killed by Israeli bombs but Israel would blame Hamas.

Re helicopters Oct 7 she said (my bolding).
"The reality is that I was in a hideout that was bombed, and we became wounded refugees. This doesn't even include the helicopter that fired at us on our way to Gaza," she said.
https://www.businessinsider.com/freed-israeli-captives-hamas-terrified-idf-airstrikes-would-kill-them-2023-12

feralunderclass · 12/12/2023 15:00

noblegiraffe · 11/12/2023 09:27

Ffs do you realise that my point is that the ceasefire, however temporary, required concessions from Hamas as well as Israel? Like there are two sides in this conflict and demanding that one put down its weapons while making no demands of the other is completely stupid?

The best concession Israel could make is to stop the occupation. Have you forgotten that Gaza has been under siege for 17 years? Food, water, medicine, building materials, paper, basically anything of use to Palestinians is monitored, confiscated or rationed.

FOJN · 12/12/2023 14:00

Elon Levy (Israeli spokesperson) is claiming that the air strike death toll in Gaza is far lower than in other 21st century conflicts. They are using data about other conflicts provided by a London based NGO who calculate the number of deaths per air strike which causes harm. The IDF have added their own Gaza column to graph and calculated the number of deaths per air strike by dividing total number of deaths by TOTAL NUMBER OF AIR STRIKES which is how they end up with a rate of deaths per air strike of 0.8 which is significantly lower than in other conflicts.

Dr Ian Overton, who runs the NGO whose data is being used by Israel has tweeted and asked them to delete their tweet because it is inaccurate. Elon Levy has refused to delete and suggested a "community notice". He has now hidden the challenge to his original tweet.

They lie intentionally and rely on people only paying attention to the "headline".

It pains me to post a link to Owen Jones, I'm not a fan, but he gives a full explanation here:

PrincessConsuelaB · 12/12/2023 13:50

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ScrollingLeaves · 12/12/2023 13:31

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If you read the transcript it couldn’t possibly have been prerecorded because there are too many allusions to absolutely current events.

PrincessConsuelaB · 12/12/2023 13:21

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ScrollingLeaves · 12/12/2023 13:06

I thought the eyes could possibly be the same, but isn’t it iris recognition that counts?

The voices sounded different but they seemed to be speaking under different circumstances in the first place so that could account for that.

The dark part of the hand did not seem convincing. Aren’t hairy hands common to dark haired, darker skinned Mediterranean and Middle Eastern men?

ScrollingLeaves · 12/12/2023 12:59

I have been looking up Abu Obeida. Didn’t Israel think he’d been killed at one point?

But you can read the speech as a transcript, which he made only two days ago, here:
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/abu-obeida-is-back-masked-palestinian-fighter-has-a-message-for-israel-white-house/

So is he dead or not? What I was wondering was if AI is now so good at recreating a voice, could someoone write a speech and make it seem it was from him when he was in fact dead? (I heard something about scams using faked but realistic speech, based on the voices of real people, on the radio the other day.)

Abu Obeida has a hypnotic speaking voice which I think you can feel even without understanding a word. It seems a bit like incantation in a church. You can hear on this Oct 9 clip:
https://twitter.com/PalestineChron/status/1711430058559058329
He seems to have sprung up to give a voice to Palestinians in 2006 after the Israeli killing of a whole family having a picnic on the beach, all except one little girl left screaming. (I don’t know who the family was or if they had political/military significance.) His voice must be an inspiration to Hamas. No wonder Israel wants him dead ( if he is not dead already).
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/who-is-abu-obeida-al-qassam-famous-military-spokesman-profile/

https://twitter.com/PalestineChron/status/1711430058559058329

PrincessConsuelaB · 12/12/2023 12:57

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FOJN · 12/12/2023 12:32

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They don't at all, the shape is different. The skin tone also looks different but that could be accounted for by lighting and equipment. The voices don't sound the same either, to my very untrained ear the speakers seem to have different accents.

What's the background to the tweet?

PrincessConsuelaB · 12/12/2023 12:06

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Livelovebehappy · 11/12/2023 19:03

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It’s pretty obvious, and also been confirmed, that the reason they were stripped initially was because of the risk of suicide bombers. Hamas have groomed people to be suicide bombers in the past, so obviously it wouldn’t be beyond them to do it now. They don’t give a toss about the Palestinians they claim to be fighting for, and would put every last one of them in a suicide vest if they thought it would take out a few dozen Israeli soldiers.

noblegiraffe · 11/12/2023 09:27

Ffs do you realise that my point is that the ceasefire, however temporary, required concessions from Hamas as well as Israel? Like there are two sides in this conflict and demanding that one put down its weapons while making no demands of the other is completely stupid?

PrincessConsuelaB · 11/12/2023 09:18

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