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Be aware of misinformation seen regarding Palestine

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whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 13/11/2023 17:44

There's a lot of misinformation/propaganda spreading around and this thread is to raise awareness of the ones circulating. Here's one for example:

www.instagram.com/p/Czh2sF_LaUp/?igshid=anFmemQ3OGxpMGpu

Please share any you come across.

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whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 15/11/2023 19:12

@Humdingerydoo

This was posted on a previous thread yesterday as well. I'm reluctant to go in to details as it feels so disrespectful to the poor man, but there is zero proof IDF shot him based on just those photos.

The witness testimonial of the man's granddaughter would say otherwise. There's zero proof that Hamas did it based on a twitter post.

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EasterIssland · 15/11/2023 19:07

Humdingerydoo · 15/11/2023 19:00

This was posted on a previous thread yesterday as well. I'm reluctant to go in to details as it feels so disrespectful to the poor man, but there is zero proof IDF shot him based on just those photos.

May he rest in peace

It’s not basing on the photos but on the relatives

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Humdingerydoo · 15/11/2023 19:03

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I don't attend these things as I'm genuinely scared of being attacked on my way there or back.

Humdingerydoo · 15/11/2023 19:00

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 15/11/2023 18:47

At 10:33 I sent a link about an elderly Palestinian speaking to an Israeli force. In that link it credits the owner of the photo and the caption she wrote. Here on BritsforIsrael they have taken this photo and blamed Hamas for the shooting.

This was posted on a previous thread yesterday as well. I'm reluctant to go in to details as it feels so disrespectful to the poor man, but there is zero proof IDF shot him based on just those photos.

May he rest in peace

Humdingerydoo · 15/11/2023 18:56

EasterIssland · 15/11/2023 18:43

Just seen it (I searched for it) 300 people. Still far from the nearly 300k they claim attended the demo

No, 900 were affected by the malicious walk-off. It might be that 600 of them found other ways of getting there, but it was still 900 affected. It's disgraceful.

Rammer · 15/11/2023 18:56

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whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 15/11/2023 18:47

At 10:33 I sent a link about an elderly Palestinian speaking to an Israeli force. In that link it credits the owner of the photo and the caption she wrote. Here on BritsforIsrael they have taken this photo and blamed Hamas for the shooting.

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EasterIssland · 15/11/2023 18:43

Humdingerydoo · 15/11/2023 18:13

Did you also see the part where several hundred people were unable to attend due to a malicious walk-off by the bus drivers hired to take them to the march? Utterly pathetic move on the bus drivers part

Just seen it (I searched for it) 300 people. Still far from the nearly 300k they claim attended the demo

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 15/11/2023 18:35

Misinformation coming from Britsforisrael on Twitter/X

x.com/santafeez/status/1724774187481378899?s=20

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MrsTerryPratchett · 15/11/2023 18:19

@Alcemeg I deliberately didn't respond on the other thread as the derailing is getting ridiculous.

I misunderstood your earlier comment about 'coming onto MN' as being new. Paired with you saying you weren't in the UK. Hardly a wild accusation.

Possibly, we should both assume the other is coming from a well-meaning place.

There are some pretty wild accusations levelled at me on this thread, which I'm not dragging onto others. I'd appreciate if you didn't either.

Humdingerydoo · 15/11/2023 18:13

EasterIssland · 15/11/2023 18:02

Did you also see the part where several hundred people were unable to attend due to a malicious walk-off by the bus drivers hired to take them to the march? Utterly pathetic move on the bus drivers part

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whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 15/11/2023 18:09

EasterIssland · 15/11/2023 18:04

I’m gonna leave this one inn2 threads as applies to both threads

Evidence Points to Israeli Shells in Strikes on Gaza’s Largest Hospital
Israel said Palestinian militants had misfired projectiles, but an analysis of photos and videos of Friday’s strikes shows that some of the munitions were likely fired by Israeli forces.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/14/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-al-shifa-hospital.html?unlocked_article_code=1.-Uw.7gv_.x_1dMzwIoG-V&smid=url-share

This wouldn't be the first time Israel have said the Palestinians done when in fact it was them. Just like the previous hospital bombing.

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whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 15/11/2023 18:06

Oh yes I did see and post that there was a match yesterday in support of Israel

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EasterIssland · 15/11/2023 18:04

I’m gonna leave this one inn2 threads as applies to both threads

Evidence Points to Israeli Shells in Strikes on Gaza’s Largest Hospital
Israel said Palestinian militants had misfired projectiles, but an analysis of photos and videos of Friday’s strikes shows that some of the munitions were likely fired by Israeli forces.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/14/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-al-shifa-hospital.html?unlocked_article_code=1.-Uw.7gv_.x_1dMzwIoG-V&smid=url-share

EasterIssland · 15/11/2023 17:56

Puzzledandpissedoff · 15/11/2023 17:27

They often don't match, and up to a point meandering is only natural, but best of luck with a genuine misinformation thread if you wanted to start one

I guarantee it would be hijacked within the first few posts, and while some of us have linked false claims from both "sides" (god how I hate that word ...) you'll certainly be accused of only favouring the wrong one

Let’s be honest. All threads are hijacked. @Ohlalalalala and I have opened threads and the first comment was to say how wrong we are and boring to open a new thread

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Alcemeg · 15/11/2023 17:28

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 15/11/2023 17:01

You're welcome to leave this thread and create one of your own that only benefits Israel if you want.

Posters are welcome to share misinformation on here and discuss if they wish too or find others that contradict another finding.

How interesting, it just goes to show how we can misinterpret threads. I thought this one was about being careful to avoid spreading misinformation, rather than sharing specific examples of what we believe to be misinformation.

I must admit that "that only benefits Israel" seems a little unfair when what we are discussing is a terrorist group that has completed fucked over Gaza for years, is ensuring maximum civilians casualties there, and has global ambitions.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 15/11/2023 17:27

Iwantcakeeveryday · 15/11/2023 16:51

There's a lot of misinformation/propaganda spreading around and this thread is to raise awareness of the ones circulating

It really doesn't seem like the thread title and opening post are what the thread is about. Theres so many threads about this conflict, an actual misinformation thread would be worthwhile.

They often don't match, and up to a point meandering is only natural, but best of luck with a genuine misinformation thread if you wanted to start one

I guarantee it would be hijacked within the first few posts, and while some of us have linked false claims from both "sides" (god how I hate that word ...) you'll certainly be accused of only favouring the wrong one

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 15/11/2023 17:01

Iwantcakeeveryday · 15/11/2023 16:51

There's a lot of misinformation/propaganda spreading around and this thread is to raise awareness of the ones circulating

It really doesn't seem like the thread title and opening post are what the thread is about. Theres so many threads about this conflict, an actual misinformation thread would be worthwhile.

You're welcome to leave this thread and create one of your own that only benefits Israel if you want.

Posters are welcome to share misinformation on here and discuss if they wish too or find others that contradict another finding.

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Iwantcakeeveryday · 15/11/2023 16:51

There's a lot of misinformation/propaganda spreading around and this thread is to raise awareness of the ones circulating

It really doesn't seem like the thread title and opening post are what the thread is about. Theres so many threads about this conflict, an actual misinformation thread would be worthwhile.

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 15/11/2023 14:02

Well clearly the IDF are not at the hospital to provide medical assistance and aid if they're damaging medical equipment.

www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/11/15/israel-hamas-war-live-israel-says-it-plans-to-raid-al-shifa-ministry

And not to mention what came out of Israeli doctors mouths in the article below.

www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2023/11/11/israel-is-bombing-hospitals-in-gaza-with-israeli-doctors-approval

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DrinkingMyWaterMindingMyBiz · 15/11/2023 13:14

@Iwantcakeeveryday you’re not interested in how I came to such a conclusion, because if you were, you’d have seen that I have already posted it.

I know enough information about it to formulate my own opinion, but not on a scale to share with others on this thread - I don’t want to be the one to spread misinformation. Hence I posted an opinion and not a fact. At the moment, the sources I have learnt said information from have been from links posted on social media that I’m aware won’t be without bias. I haven’t had the time to fact check these in depth yet so have formulated an opinion on it.

This is a thread about misinformation. I’m not about to start posting the sources that led to my formulation of this opinion when I don’t have 100% certainty on it myself.

But by all means, go off pretending opinions = facts if you think that will strengthen your argument.

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 15/11/2023 13:10

"Geologists and resources economists have confirmed that the occupied Palestinian territory (oPt) lies above sizeable reservoirs of oil and natural gas wealth, in Area C of the West Bank and the Mediterranean coast off the Gaza Strip, according to a recent UNCTAD study.
New discoveries of natural gas in the Levant Basin are in the range of 122 trillion cubic foot while recoverable oil is estimated at 1.7 billion barrels, according to the study, entitled “The Economic Cost of Occupation for the Palestinian People: The Unrealized Oil and Natural Gas Potential.”
This offers an opportunity to distribute and share about US$524 billion among the different parties in the region and promote peace and cooperation among old belligerents, the study notes.
These funds could finance socioeconomic development in the oPt as part of the United Nations 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development.
However, so far the Palestinian people have been prohibited from exploiting the oil and gas reserves in their own land and water to meet their energy needs and generate fiscal and export revenues.
This increases both the opportunity costs and the total costs borne by the Palestinian people as a result of occupation, the study states."

unctad.org/news/unrealized-potential-palestinian-oil-and-gas-reserves

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