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Be aware of misinformation seen regarding Palestine

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whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 13/11/2023 17:44

There's a lot of misinformation/propaganda spreading around and this thread is to raise awareness of the ones circulating. Here's one for example:

www.instagram.com/p/Czh2sF_LaUp/?igshid=anFmemQ3OGxpMGpu

Please share any you come across.

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ScrollingLeaves · 16/11/2023 22:45

Ohlalalalala · Today 22:22
Re:”Critics reject Israeli claim al-Shifa Hospital used as Hamas command centre”

The BBC Gaza reporter Jeremy Bowen was speaking on the Ten O’clock News tonight. He says you see kalashnikovs everywhere in the Middle East, there is nothing necessarily surprising about those they showed. He wondered if the hospital could even have had them from a small security decision.

EasterIssland · 16/11/2023 22:42

ScrollingLeaves · 16/11/2023 22:34

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · Today 21:04

A quick google search will show you not all missile rockets look the same. I highly doubt Hamas would have the same level of weapons used by the IDF.

Yes, according to this New York Times investigation, there would indeed seem to be differences between Israeli and Hamas missiles.

It is hardly surprising when Israel has a fully equipped modern army helped by the USA.
www.nytimes.com/2023/11/14/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-al-shifa-hospital.html

“But at least three of the projectiles that struck it appear to have been Israeli munitions, according to pictures of weapons fragments collected and verified by The New York Times and analyzed by experts.”

and

“Marc Garlasco, a former Pentagon senior intelligence analyst, identified the projectile as the shell of an Israeli illumination artillery round commonly used to identify targets at night. Richard Stevens, a former explosive ordnance disposal soldier with the British Army, also identified it as an illumination roundand noted the absence of a high-explosive detonation upon the shell’s impact.”
and
“Amid the debris were two metal fins that Mr. Garlasco identified as the tails of 120-millimeter tank shells of a type used only by Israeli forces, not by Palestinian militants, who don’t have tanks”

If this is true why do they continue doing it! The few countries that might have been supporting them … are going to stop trusting and supporting them because they can’t believe a single word that is coming out from Israel!

noblegiraffe · 16/11/2023 22:41

Perhaps we should ask those experts to analyse the rockets in the picture rather than going by someone's 'reckon'?

ScrollingLeaves · 16/11/2023 22:34

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · Today 21:04

A quick google search will show you not all missile rockets look the same. I highly doubt Hamas would have the same level of weapons used by the IDF.

Yes, according to this New York Times investigation, there would indeed seem to be differences between Israeli and Hamas missiles.

It is hardly surprising when Israel has a fully equipped modern army helped by the USA.
www.nytimes.com/2023/11/14/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-al-shifa-hospital.html

“But at least three of the projectiles that struck it appear to have been Israeli munitions, according to pictures of weapons fragments collected and verified by The New York Times and analyzed by experts.”

and

“Marc Garlasco, a former Pentagon senior intelligence analyst, identified the projectile as the shell of an Israeli illumination artillery round commonly used to identify targets at night. Richard Stevens, a former explosive ordnance disposal soldier with the British Army, also identified it as an illumination roundand noted the absence of a high-explosive detonation upon the shell’s impact.”
and
“Amid the debris were two metal fins that Mr. Garlasco identified as the tails of 120-millimeter tank shells of a type used only by Israeli forces, not by Palestinian militants, who don’t have tanks”

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ssd · 16/11/2023 22:26

Humdingerydoo · 16/11/2023 22:23

Thanks, I'm not on Twitter. I don't think it would be all hostages, but if even "just" a few are, all hell is going to break loose on top of all the hell that has already broken loose.

Sorry, I'll stop posting about it now as I'm being told off for spreading misinformation. I'm really not trying to though, I'm trying to verify. Hopefully the majority of people on here understood that

Im not telling you off its thats for me. Post whatever you like. Im just saying its not wise to post rumours.

stormy4319trevor · 16/11/2023 22:26

@Humdingerydoo It's OK. Please god it isn't true.

EasterIssland · 16/11/2023 22:25

Humdingerydoo · 16/11/2023 22:23

Thanks, I'm not on Twitter. I don't think it would be all hostages, but if even "just" a few are, all hell is going to break loose on top of all the hell that has already broken loose.

Sorry, I'll stop posting about it now as I'm being told off for spreading misinformation. I'm really not trying to though, I'm trying to verify. Hopefully the majority of people on here understood that

Yeah tho not sure more can be destroyed in Gaza to be honest after this month

this is from bbc

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says there were "strong indications" hostages held by Hamas had been at Gaza's Al-Shifa Hospital.

so probably she wasn’t the only one and few more hostages might have been recovered

noblegiraffe · 16/11/2023 22:24

Did those critics read the 2015 Amnesty International report?

Humdingerydoo · 16/11/2023 22:23

EasterIssland · 16/11/2023 22:20

Searching 200 bodies then I can see loads of comments on Twitter about it. Guess it’ll have to be confirmed. Doubt very much it’s all the hostages tho. Wouldn’t make sense to have them all in the same place

Thanks, I'm not on Twitter. I don't think it would be all hostages, but if even "just" a few are, all hell is going to break loose on top of all the hell that has already broken loose.

Sorry, I'll stop posting about it now as I'm being told off for spreading misinformation. I'm really not trying to though, I'm trying to verify. Hopefully the majority of people on here understood that

Ohlalalalala · 16/11/2023 22:22

Critics reject Israeli claim al-Shifa Hospital used as Hamas command centre https://www.aljazeera.com/program/inside-story/2023/11/16/critics-reject-israeli-claim-al-shifa-hospital-used-as-hamas-command-centre

Israel has long accused Hamas of using the al-Shifa Hospital in Gaza as a cover for its military operations.
Israeli forces have raided the al-Shifa Hospital in Gaza City for the second consecutive day, following days of encircling the largest medical facility in Gaza.

They claim to have found what they call “grab bags” containing weapons and uniforms belonging to Hamas fighters.

But many observers have questioned what Israeli forces presented as evidence.

And there are fears that with the Israeli military in sole control of the operation, it could fabricate evidence to bolster its allegations.

Several experts have also argued that attacking hospitals – especially those treating critically ill patients and babies – could be a war crime as defined under international law.

Presenter: James Bays

Guests:

Erik Fosse – CEO of the Norwegian Aid Committee; has worked as a surgeon in Gaza during several wars since 1994

A Kayum Ahmed – special adviser on the right to health at Human Rights Watch

Thomas MacManus – Director of the International State Crime Initiative, Queen Mary University of London

Critics reject Israeli claim al-Shifa Hospital used as Hamas command centre

Israel has long accused Hamas of using the al-Shifa Hospital in Gaza as a cover for its military operations.

https://www.aljazeera.com/program/inside-story/2023/11/16/critics-reject-israeli-claim-al-shifa-hospital-used-as-hamas-command-centre

ssd · 16/11/2023 22:21

Ok, i get that. I don't know how anyone here could confirm or deny it, i just think posting rumours doesn't help anyone.

EasterIssland · 16/11/2023 22:20

Searching 200 bodies then I can see loads of comments on Twitter about it. Guess it’ll have to be confirmed. Doubt very much it’s all the hostages tho. Wouldn’t make sense to have them all in the same place

Humdingerydoo · 16/11/2023 22:19

ssd · 16/11/2023 22:16

This thread is about misinformation.

Yes, I'm aware. I'm asking people to please disprove it because I don't want it to be true. If it is, things are about to get a whole lot worse than they already are in Gaza 🥴 I'm hoping someone on here has heard something that confirms it's just a rumour. I've mentioned several times that it's a rumour and that nothing is confirmed.

I honestly just want an answer, and I want that answer to be it's not true

ssd · 16/11/2023 22:16

Humdingerydoo · 16/11/2023 22:09

The rumour is it's a pile of 200 bodies 🥴

This thread is about misinformation.

Trulywonderful · 16/11/2023 22:12

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Nice try but making me out to be a cold monster doesn't really work here

If someone posts something nasty I call them up on it

If someone posts something to ridiculous for a sensible answer I am going to take the piss out of it

That is Truly and I don't change. So don't quote me if you don't like my responses. It is really that simple. IGNORE ME

Parkingt111 · 16/11/2023 22:11

Humdingerydoo · 16/11/2023 22:09

The rumour is it's a pile of 200 bodies 🥴

What! Where was that
I hope not!

Humdingerydoo · 16/11/2023 22:09

EasterIssland · 16/11/2023 22:08

I can’t see much on twitter atm about that @Humdingerydoo hopefully if true they’re alive

The rumour is it's a pile of 200 bodies 🥴

Humdingerydoo · 16/11/2023 22:08

Parkingt111 · 16/11/2023 22:06

@Humdingerydoo did you see what I posted
It was from the times of Israel

During the briefing, Hagari dodged a reporter’s question on claims that the IDF took several bodies from Shifa Hospital during operations Thursday.

Yes, thank you.

I guess we'll have to wait and see if he dodged because it's untrue or if he dodged because he's awaiting further details 🥴

EasterIssland · 16/11/2023 22:08

I can’t see much on twitter atm about that @Humdingerydoo hopefully if true they’re alive

Parkingt111 · 16/11/2023 22:06

@Humdingerydoo did you see what I posted
It was from the times of Israel

During the briefing, Hagari dodged a reporter’s question on claims that the IDF took several bodies from Shifa Hospital during operations Thursday.

Humdingerydoo · 16/11/2023 22:05

Trulywonderful · 16/11/2023 22:02

Don't know if they mean this as not sure what post you are asking about but Zaka is Israel search and rescuing I believe

Does that sound like it fits the post

I was the one asking in a previous post on here if anyone had heard anything from Zaka, as I'm hearing rumours they might have found more hostages in or near Al-Shifa hospital.

AGAIN, UNCONFIRMED!! Trying to find out if it's true or just a rumour!

Parkingt111 · 16/11/2023 22:05

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I have to agree some of the posts on here are abit distasteful even if non intended

ssd · 16/11/2023 22:04

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Keep trying

Parkingt111 · 16/11/2023 22:03

@Trulywonderful yes thank you

Trulywonderful · 16/11/2023 22:02

Parkingt111 · 16/11/2023 21:50

@Humdingerydoo what is zaka?

Don't know if they mean this as not sure what post you are asking about but Zaka is Israel search and rescuing I believe

Does that sound like it fits the post