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Be aware of misinformation seen regarding Palestine

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whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 13/11/2023 17:44

There's a lot of misinformation/propaganda spreading around and this thread is to raise awareness of the ones circulating. Here's one for example:

www.instagram.com/p/Czh2sF_LaUp/?igshid=anFmemQ3OGxpMGpu

Please share any you come across.

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Takoneko · 18/11/2023 23:02

That Haaretz article doesn’t say anything like what the tweet suggests it does.

25milesfromhome · 18/11/2023 22:58

@EasterIssland posted a biased and misleading tweet. The Haaretz article quoted above actually says that Hamas most likely didn’t know about the festival prior to Oct 7th and spontaneously attacked it that day. Posting a tweet implying it wasn’t Hamas that carried out the mass rape, torture and murder at the festival because they didn't know about it is spreading misinformation of the highest order.

mixgoal · 18/11/2023 22:53

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No it comes from a screenshot of twitter.

Takoneko · 18/11/2023 22:50

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Is this tweet your only source for this? Is anywhere else is reporting on this?

I’ve googled and can’t find any credible sources to support it.

Video that supposedly showed this has been found to be miscaptioned.

https://fullfact.org/news/israeli-helicopter-shooting-civilians-music-festival/

Video does not show Israeli helicopter shooting civilians at Supernova music festival - Full Fact

Several posts sharing this video on social media claim Israel has admitted to shooting its own civilians.

https://fullfact.org/news/israeli-helicopter-shooting-civilians-music-festival/

EasterIssland · 18/11/2023 22:40

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ssd · 18/11/2023 21:59

I think MNHQ goes more by the opinions of the person doing the moderating than actual guidelines. I've had posts deleted whilst worse posts have remained. I'm absolutely sure there are certain posters ensuring any criticism of Israel is deleted. I reported a recent really nasty post about Corbyn that was allowed to remain yet a few weeks ago i criticised Netanyahu and was deleted and it wasn't as personal a critique as the Corbyn one.

When it comes down to it mn seem to be toeing the line as set by the government.

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 18/11/2023 21:45

Hamas attacked Israel on Oct. 7, according to the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs. In addition, about 30 children were taken hostage by Hamas, the Associated Press reported.
But a video has been circulating on Instagram falsely suggesting that there may have been no deaths of children in Israel.
The video shows a since-deleted post from the World Jewish Congress’ Instagram page, which the video calls “A list of the children who were allegedly massacred on Oct. 7.” The video concludes with large red text at the end: “EXPOSED: Israel’s named victims of ‘October 7th massacre’ are copied from an article that was written in 2014.”
One user left a comment that said: “One has to start doubting if anyone really was killed.” Another said, “This is all planned and fake to excuse their actions and they thought the world would let them get away with it.”
It appears that the Instagram post by the World Jewish Congress — an organization representing Jewish communities globally — shown in the video does repeat some of the names included in a list from 2014 of children who had been killed in Israel over the preceding years.

www.factcheck.org/2023/11/dozens-of-children-died-in-hamas-oct-7-attack-on-israel-contrary-to-online-claim/

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ShadowCipher · 18/11/2023 20:43

Ohlalalalala · 18/11/2023 20:31

I see that @MNHQ has deleted my post. May I know the reason to that please?

To my knowledge there was nothing in the guidelines that I broke.

Thats why i think there should be more detailed talk guidelines

Ohlalalalala · 18/11/2023 20:31

I see that @MNHQ has deleted my post. May I know the reason to that please?

To my knowledge there was nothing in the guidelines that I broke.

Ohlalalalala · 18/11/2023 20:26

Takoneko · 18/11/2023 18:58

@MNHQ I’m really not sure why I was deleted. I objected, admittedly using strong language, to a poster who heavily insinuated that I was justifying the murder of children. Since when is swearing against Talk Guidelines? I didn’t name call or personally attack anyone, I just objected to what felt like a very pointed attack on me. I queried whether the poster was referring to me in a previous response and they did not respond but instead posted a discusting accusation aimed at posters who “know who they are”. I know they now say they didn’t mean me but haven’t clarified who they did mean despite being asked.

Is it ok to do that as long as you say you aren’t naming names?

Just to clarify: even though I found your outburst rude and uncalled-for, I did not report it; I never respond to a post I report.

noblegiraffe · 18/11/2023 19:16

I think saying that posters are supporting the murder of children 'without naming names' is a particularly sly way of throwing shade while dodging accountability.

I mean, if you think someone is supporting the murder of children, why wouldn't you name names?

That said, posters on here have tried to accuse me of supporting the murder of children or whatever, which is obvious horseshit, so one must remain sceptical as to the veracity of these claims.

It's a purity spiral. If you even slightly deviate from the accepted narrative, then you must be a baddie.

Takoneko · 18/11/2023 19:00

I can spell disgusting, promise.

Takoneko · 18/11/2023 18:58

@MNHQ I’m really not sure why I was deleted. I objected, admittedly using strong language, to a poster who heavily insinuated that I was justifying the murder of children. Since when is swearing against Talk Guidelines? I didn’t name call or personally attack anyone, I just objected to what felt like a very pointed attack on me. I queried whether the poster was referring to me in a previous response and they did not respond but instead posted a discusting accusation aimed at posters who “know who they are”. I know they now say they didn’t mean me but haven’t clarified who they did mean despite being asked.

Is it ok to do that as long as you say you aren’t naming names?

Ohlalalalala · 18/11/2023 18:56

Certainfailure · 18/11/2023 17:29

@Lobster7 not really. Israel is the only state entirely for Jewish people although funnily enough it allows Muslim citizens to live and worship relatively freely also.
On the other hand Muslims have a multitude of different countries offering an Islamic way of life to chose from. Some of those countries are not open to allowing other religions to practice openly, in fact some have seen huge discrimination and violence towards Christians and Buddhists.

Which Muslims are those that Israel "allows" to "live and worship relatively freely"? You mean the ones whose country it is in the first place? The ones it has stolen their land? The ones it has been trying to ethnic cleanse for the last 75 years? The ones it is currently cowardly bombing and killing by the thousands?

Are those the Muslims you're talking about?

What's the point of your post anyway?

This thread is about misinformation. Are you giving an example of that?

Lobster7 · 18/11/2023 17:58

@Certainfailure What one of my posts are you replying to?

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 18/11/2023 17:35

Certainfailure · 18/11/2023 17:29

@Lobster7 not really. Israel is the only state entirely for Jewish people although funnily enough it allows Muslim citizens to live and worship relatively freely also.
On the other hand Muslims have a multitude of different countries offering an Islamic way of life to chose from. Some of those countries are not open to allowing other religions to practice openly, in fact some have seen huge discrimination and violence towards Christians and Buddhists.

What countries would these be?

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Certainfailure · 18/11/2023 17:29

@Lobster7 not really. Israel is the only state entirely for Jewish people although funnily enough it allows Muslim citizens to live and worship relatively freely also.
On the other hand Muslims have a multitude of different countries offering an Islamic way of life to chose from. Some of those countries are not open to allowing other religions to practice openly, in fact some have seen huge discrimination and violence towards Christians and Buddhists.

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 18/11/2023 17:19

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Sorry @Ohlalalalala

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noblegiraffe · 18/11/2023 17:16

So who were you referring to, who has justified murdering children?

Ohlalalalala · 18/11/2023 17:11

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Mind your language.

I wasn't even referring to you, but maybe I should have, seeing your reaction.

Pathetic.

Takoneko · 18/11/2023 17:07

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Preemiemum123 · 18/11/2023 17:06

100% this

Lobster7 · 18/11/2023 17:06

Apologies @Ohlalalalala

Preemiemum123 · 18/11/2023 17:04

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