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Be aware of misinformation seen regarding Palestine

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whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 13/11/2023 17:44

There's a lot of misinformation/propaganda spreading around and this thread is to raise awareness of the ones circulating. Here's one for example:

www.instagram.com/p/Czh2sF_LaUp/?igshid=anFmemQ3OGxpMGpu

Please share any you come across.

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ScrollingLeaves · 23/11/2023 11:49

XRAYTHIS · 23/11/2023 11:01

Everyone speaks on behalf of the children.

He was a child, have you heard his voice?

Yes.
He knows how vicious Hamas is to Palestinians too.

Is that in question?

Israel bombing, burning, maiming and starving Palestinian children and their parents in their thousands, destroying their houses, and yet again pushing them out of their homes, will produce future dissociated, brutalised Hamas types with nothing to lose.

eester · 23/11/2023 11:40

@Ohlalalalala really disturbing, thank you for sharing.

Ohlalalalala · 23/11/2023 11:35

@eester thanks for sharing.

From Haaretz the Israeli newspaper.

Israel's new Hasbara app

https://youtu.be/iYzVOlcENZ4?feature=shared

eester · 23/11/2023 10:57

and this article goes back a while but proves they seek people to post pro-Israel messages on social media

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/08/14/israel-students-social-media/2651715/

JERUSALEM (AP) — Israel is looking to hire university students to post pro-Israel messages on social media networks — without needing to identify themselves as government-linked, officials said Wednesday.

USA TODAY

Israel is looking to hire students to post pro-Israel messages on social media networks.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/08/14/israel-students-social-media/2651715

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 23/11/2023 10:56

eester · 23/11/2023 10:55

Has anyone seen this? It's a page detailing how much people are paid to spread pro-Israeli govt propaganda on social media.

From:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/181sccl/israel_spends_billions_of_dollars_paying/

I've not read it but I have heard about it

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eester · 23/11/2023 10:55

Has anyone seen this? It's a page detailing how much people are paid to spread pro-Israeli govt propaganda on social media.

From:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/181sccl/israel_spends_billions_of_dollars_paying/

Be aware of misinformation seen regarding Palestine
whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 23/11/2023 10:54

@notsoready4school yes I agree about the rubble. Would make sense that they've used a dog, I haven't seen it on the news so that's interesting.

I was doing some research the other day and I came across an article, which I can't find now. But in it, it said that the tunnels were built by Israel in the 1980's and during a targeted operation in the 2000s, they had damaged the tunnels substantially and causing buildings to collapse as a result.

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ScrollingLeaves · 23/11/2023 10:53

So if this is the entrance to the tunnel that they've found, how did the person get down there?

www.instagram.com/reel/Cz1dlQ-o8NI/?igshid=N2ViNmM2MDRjNw==

There is a rickety spiral staircase.

I have read somewhere that a dog or a robot-dog filmed the tunnel part. The rhythm/speed of what we see in the video suggests that is possible.

Could it get down the steps? If not, could it have been lowered down through the shaft?

Or possibly that tunnel was not joined to that particular shaft in the first place.
No independent corroborators were involved.

Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cz1dlQ-o8NI/?igshid=N2ViNmM2MDRjNw==

notsoready4school · 23/11/2023 10:45

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 23/11/2023 10:41

Right so I'm just looking at the IDF's footage of the terrorist tunnel they found in the Al Shifa complex.

At first you can see it's a drone being used to record the footage. Note the small focus circle in the centre. It goes down this shaft, which to me, doesn't look like a person can go down it properly hence using the drone. If you keep watching a few seconds in as the drone makes its way down, there's a quick edit in the footage which then changes to someone running and recording it themselves. Note the focus circle I mentioned has now disappeared so not a drone and the camera is tilting from side to side.

So if this is the entrance to the tunnel that they've found, how did the person get down there?

www.instagram.com/reel/Cz1dlQ-o8NI/?igshid=N2ViNmM2MDRjNw==

I understand they used a dog, one of the Sky News / BBC commentators suggested it when they saw a muzzle at the scene.

This is not evidence, just the suggestion from the commentator.

Also worth questioning the fact that there is so much rubble around the entry point, they can’t well have been using IT as access if every time they needed to get down their they needed to redo the concrete flooring!?

All major websites have discredited the possibility of a major command centre based in evidence shared so far.

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 23/11/2023 10:41

Right so I'm just looking at the IDF's footage of the terrorist tunnel they found in the Al Shifa complex.

At first you can see it's a drone being used to record the footage. Note the small focus circle in the centre. It goes down this shaft, which to me, doesn't look like a person can go down it properly hence using the drone. If you keep watching a few seconds in as the drone makes its way down, there's a quick edit in the footage which then changes to someone running and recording it themselves. Note the focus circle I mentioned has now disappeared so not a drone and the camera is tilting from side to side.

So if this is the entrance to the tunnel that they've found, how did the person get down there?

www.instagram.com/reel/Cz1dlQ-o8NI/?igshid=N2ViNmM2MDRjNw==

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ScrollingLeaves · 22/11/2023 20:21

feralunderclass · 22/11/2023 10:35

This video features Steve Austin, an Australian lawyer who focuses on the abuse of children in the Occupied Palestinian Territories by Israeli authorities. It includes:

-physical torture
-psychological torture
-sexual abuse from both men and animals (putting food on genital areas and then getting a dog to lick it off)

Thank you very much. That is harrowing and the military imprisonment of civilians reminiscent of the some of the worst states in history.

One if the most upsetting things I have ever heard of is soldiers going in the night to ‘map’ and photograph the children; and dragging very, very young children out and away from their families then questioning them with a mix of duress and bribes - a sort of grooming - to make them tell them the names of friends and family members etc. Then they are caught-in as informants. As someone says it breaks them forever.

I actually found I felt sick it was so upsetting.

FourCandlesNotForkHandles · 22/11/2023 18:04

TinkerTiger · 22/11/2023 17:46

@whatswrongwiththeworldddd @FourCandlesNotForkHandles I've had a look at it but can't it be argued that the man was just dressing in clothes given to him seeing as he had none? Not saying I believe it's authentic, just that it isn't mind blowing 'proof'.

I suppose the counter-argument could be that it's coincidental that there were clothes there in the first place that and that it fit...hmm.

To be honest
It could be anything.
Stuff posted on instagram and Twitter are not to be trusted. In fact it has got to the point whoever and where ever it is posted it cannot be trusted !

Footage from A film made in 2022 is being sited as real online to spread propaganda too. Some claiming it as pro Israel, some pro Palestinian. Actually it’s just a film.

Everything should be independently verified before it can be believed.

TinkerTiger · 22/11/2023 17:46

@whatswrongwiththeworldddd @FourCandlesNotForkHandles I've had a look at it but can't it be argued that the man was just dressing in clothes given to him seeing as he had none? Not saying I believe it's authentic, just that it isn't mind blowing 'proof'.

I suppose the counter-argument could be that it's coincidental that there were clothes there in the first place that and that it fit...hmm.

FourCandlesNotForkHandles · 22/11/2023 16:36

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 22/11/2023 16:04

Sorry didn't finish the post.

I saw this video on Instagram but I wondered if anyone here can shed some light on the source of it.

www.instagram.com/reel/Cz9CfTftxEo/?igshid=N2ViNmM2MDRjNw==

The source seems to be Fox News witnessing the IDF faking news
The naked guy is an actor and he is later seen getting dressed after the IDF finished filming.

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 22/11/2023 16:04

Sorry didn't finish the post.

I saw this video on Instagram but I wondered if anyone here can shed some light on the source of it.

www.instagram.com/reel/Cz9CfTftxEo/?igshid=N2ViNmM2MDRjNw==

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whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 22/11/2023 15:58

I've just come across this video

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feralunderclass · 22/11/2023 10:35

This video features Steve Austin, an Australian lawyer who focuses on the abuse of children in the Occupied Palestinian Territories by Israeli authorities. It includes:

-physical torture
-psychological torture
-sexual abuse from both men and animals (putting food on genital areas and then getting a dog to lick it off)

Stone Cold Justice: Israel’s torture of Palestinian children - ABC Australia

A film which has been produced by a group of Australian journalists has sparked an international outcry against Israel after it explicitly detailed Tel Aviv'...

https://youtu.be/cvOSv2fGJ5w?si=GT5wPHVpsUi12AaX

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 22/11/2023 10:12

This comes as no surprise to me.

Here Former Israeli PM Ehud Barak says that the bunkers/tunnels were in fact built by Israel.

truthout.org/articles/bunkers-under-gaza-hospital-were-built-by-israel-former-israel-pm-says/

www.instagram.com/reel/Cz43FA8C9Fc/?igshid=N2ViNmM2MDRjNw==

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ScrollingLeaves · 21/11/2023 22:51

Girahim · 21/11/2023 20:49

Not going to download a pdf with an undescriptive name from an undescriptive link, that's dodgy as hell.

This says who produced it, and gives a list of contents.

It is a serious paper and well worth reading.

LAW - The Palestinian Society for the Protection of Human Rights and the Environment

The Public Committee against Torture
In Israel (PCATI)

The World Organisation Against Torture (OMCT)

“The Treatment of Detained Palestinian Children by the Israeli Authorities
November 2001
”

LAW - The Palestinian Society for the Protection of Human Rights and the Environment
P.O.B 20873, Jerusalem 91208
Tel.: 972-2-5833430 Fax: 972-2-5833317
E-mail: [email protected] www.lawsociety.org

“The Public Committee Against Torture in Israel (PCATI)
POB 4634, Jerusalem 91046
Tel.: 972-2- 5630073 Fax: 972-2-5665477 E-mail: [email protected] www.stoptorture.org.il

The World Organisation Against Torture (OMCT)

OMCT International Secretariat PO Box 21
8, rue du Vieux-Billard CH-1211 Geneva 8 Switzerland
Tel.: ++41 22 809 49 39 Fax: ++41 22 809 49 29 E-mail: [email protected]
http://www.omct.org
OMCT would like to extend its gratitude for its support of the Special Procedures Programme to the Government of the United Kingdom.

Researched and written by Renata Capella Soler (LAW) in consultation with Yuval Ginbar (PCATI) and Isabel Ricupero (OMCT)

Co-ordinated and edited by Isabel Ricupero

Table of Contents
Introduction ......................................................................................................... 3 Part One: Torture and Other Ill-Treatment of Children (issues under articles 1 and 16 of the Convention)...................................................................................5

  1. Abuse during arrest and transfer to detention centres .................................... 5 2. Torture and ill-treatment during interrogation ................................................... 6 3. Detention and imprisonment conditions............................................................. 7
Part Two: The Legal Context (issues under articles 2.1 and 15 of the Convention) ......................................................................................................10 1. Definition of the child under military law applicable in the OPT contrary to international law ....................................................................................................... 11 2. Stone-throwing as a security offence subject to military jurisdiction ........... 11 Conclusion ........................................................................................................ 15

The author, Isabel Ricupero, is easy to find on the internet,

Whether you agree with what she has written or not, this certainly appears to be a serious, bona fide piece of academic work written in good faith - not dodgy.

FourCandlesNotForkHandles · 21/11/2023 21:45

HaveALaff · 21/11/2023 20:57

See examples of how the Palestinian child hostages have been treated. This has been ongoing for years. It's very concerning. I hope the Palestinian children held hostage are freed and I hope the Israeli children held hostage are freed too.

Child abuse.
War crimes
Plain and simple

HaveALaff · 21/11/2023 20:57

See examples of how the Palestinian child hostages have been treated. This has been ongoing for years. It's very concerning. I hope the Palestinian children held hostage are freed and I hope the Israeli children held hostage are freed too.

Be aware of misinformation seen regarding Palestine
Be aware of misinformation seen regarding Palestine
Girahim · 21/11/2023 20:53

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 21/11/2023 20:52

@Girahim here's a link for you to open. Hope it helps.

www.refworld.org/pdfid/46c190460.pdf

Still tries to get me to download a pdf.

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 21/11/2023 20:52

@Girahim here's a link for you to open. Hope it helps.

www.refworld.org/pdfid/46c190460.pdf

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